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presentations what I'd like to do is

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introducing yourself in other words

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simultaneity a way of accessing

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information that shows that it's not

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necessarily in the future or in the past

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does the trick but it may not be this

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each other senses of resonance a

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different kind of construction that

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presentations today about the way you

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can access information the future the

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the present can go back and affect the

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past things like that so I think it

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raises a lot of questions and we should

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explanations I'm Polly Smith I'm retired

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commercial company or remote viewing

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and this year's president of the

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nonprofit remote viewing instructional

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services I'm sorry of the nonprofit

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anybody finds out you're and I'm gonna

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help people understand what the

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predicting the future in fact trying to

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successful we can be at it and also

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important ones Thank You Dean can I

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the Institute of noetic Sciences I hope

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happening in real time is it really

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distance now or is the phenomenon

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important because of its precognition

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own future and that could explain a lot

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different worldview than a world in

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which if you mind can literally jump out

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distance I'm Dale graf I'm retired from

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reviewing but a spectrum of phenomenon

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value of side or remote viewing what is

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the application value of it which

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suspicion for many years that we're

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reality is and try to link all that

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the first site Institute I do my remote

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research at the Institute not at Emory

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future in my view you cannot separate it

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from space time and space are really

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following way if your remote viewing a

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future or a past where is it why aren't

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of what is time you have to also ask the

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question what is space when why don't we

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evangelist what are the ethics

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deaths of 37 American sailors it

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session of a warship and it caused body

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of water at night sailing along and then

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being attacked by a jet firing what

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turned out VX was that missiles and at

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the time we thought that that was

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wrong we thought that I was off because

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that hadn't been the intent of the

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Tasker question is should I have

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reported that okay well what are the

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ethics constraints there if I didn't

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report it and I knew it was going to

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happen and I knew that 37 people were

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going to die well I wouldn't necessarily

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know that me know that possibility

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someone's going to die is that unethical

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that I report that not report that and

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you can make a case maybe that was that

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would be like not rendering aid in a

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situation where someone's injured along

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the highway you might say but now what

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if I reported it and it turned out to

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happen or did we prevent it from

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happening

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I'm thinking as I go along here at

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Garrett because I'm trying for you out

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of the least fit to fit in then there

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might be bigger issues are we supposed

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to be meddling with the timeline you

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know that's one question that's a very

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large metaphysical question that I don't

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think there's an answer for I don't know

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I guess you've got me stumped you really

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have me stumped for this question you

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got an answer Dean has an answer well I

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don't have an answer I have an opinion

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one thing is it depends a lot on whether

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the future is probable or fixed that's

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that's an important element and also how

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good your precognition is so if the

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future is faded and your precognition is

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real good

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I imagine probably obliged to tell

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something about that future for the same

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reason that if you see somebody about to

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step off a curb and there's a car coming

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probably ought to tell them so ethically

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I think I would I would feel I should

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say something but we don't know if the

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future is fixed or not and we don't we

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certainly don't know how good

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precognition is so it means open a huge

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space in which to make that decision the

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other thing is that I get a lot of

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emails and phone calls from people about

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their psychic experiences and I would

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say that the number one that I get is or

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maybe number two but a very common one

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is people who have a precognitive dream

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or some kind of intuition where

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something happened and then they felt

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guilty that they didn't tell

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well of course we don't know all of

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those instances were somebody had a

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dream and nothing happened so I'm

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getting this cream of the crop of what

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might be coincidences but if we can

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imagine that precognition is real some

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of those pre cognitions that people had

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really are predicting something that's

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going to happen in which case their

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guilt is in a sense a reflection of

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their sense of not quite lack of ethics

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but something like that they felt the

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responsibility that they didn't carry

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out so I don't have any solution to that

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but that's just a comment to have to

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make Courtney yes I like to make a

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comment on that I'd also receive emails

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along the same line that arrangers

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mentioned and people are concerned why

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didn't I act on this thing then they

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have killed some people have come to me

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and want and find out how to not have

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sigh experiences so we have a problem

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here and on integrating the phenomenon

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and understanding it and looking at it

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as if it were similar to any any other

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way we obtain information if somebody

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was standing on top of a mountain peak

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and happened to see some people about to

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be flooded by an avalanche you know no

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problem that calls so I don't see any

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call for help so I don't see any reason

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why we can't look and the information

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when it can be reliable and depended on

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and that's a big qualification being

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applied there not an issue of ethics

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it's it's just simply brotherly love if

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you will you know whatever that all

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means to different people now the issue

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of when do you want to act depends a lot

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on individuals that track record so when

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people ask called call to me and mention

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this type of experienced I generally

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tactfully ask them what prior

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experiences have they had that came true

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it so that gives me a judgment as to

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whether or not that this is a valid

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relatively valid premonition and then we

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can make logical decisions is it

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possible to pass the information on or

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is it not then it becomes a matter of

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logistics and judgment

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so it's not an easy question to answer

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but I would treat it like like any other

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piece of information given to the law

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enforcement or anybody else then we act

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on it accordingly

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and try to integrate it in that's just

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must admit I have a different approach

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that what's been said all the evidence

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suggests that the future is

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probabilistic and that also matches what

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we know about quantum mechanics

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mathematically as well as conceptually

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with regard to quantum mechanics so

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something in the classical realm must be

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made up of all the rules of quantum

403
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mechanics we just haven't figured it out

404
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yet but the issue of guilt I really

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differ here you see why are people

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coming and feeling guilty in the first

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place well they're coming because they

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have these pre cognitions and we also

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have a selection bias they're only

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calling Dean or other people if they

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have a cognition that turns out to be

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right but they're not reporting the ones

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that don't turn out to be right so you

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don't have the data you're you're

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censoring a lot of information and you

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just can't come up with any science when

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you censor most of the stuff that you

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need to know you just can't take the

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self self-reported stuff and say that's

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all you need to know you need to know

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everything else as well so with regard

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to their feeling of guilt the problem is

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they don't have the information they

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don't have the data and without the data

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you can't figure it out now when you do

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a remote viewing session one thing you

427
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have to do is you have to put everything

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down you've got whether it's right or

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wrong you have to be fearless and just

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put it down and say him condemn me if

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you want that's what I got here it is

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you're in you're in the middle of the

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remote viewing session you can't start

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debating with your conscious mind should

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I really write that down or not Amanda

436
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gosh I don't want to report something

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you have to put it down the same is true

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of the remote viewing results the

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overall results of a number of stuff if

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you have a study that says that looks

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like there may be an earthquake in Los

442
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Angeles

443
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you can't go self-centering if you want

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to know about science the problem with

445
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all the people who are calling up guilty

446
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they don't have the data so what we have

447
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an experiment with regard to what looks

448
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like remote viewing data that resembles

449
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a very large seismic event in Los

450
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Angeles well if I were just to bury it

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Barbara McClintock style in my file

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cabinet and if it happens well we

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wouldn't have learned anything I would

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have censored it again and I would have

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come to the next meeting and I said

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guess what I had in my file cabin and I

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would have had to try to persuade you

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that I really did have this stuff and it

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was real what you have to do with

460
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science is put it out there that's what

461
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we do that we really think you take the

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data you encrypt it you put it out you

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let people see it and right or wrong you

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just live with it and then if it turns

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out that the seismic event does not

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occur you've learned something don't

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worry about being a fool no it's me I'm

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the one who's gonna be looked at as a

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fool I think you can't be that we had to

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be fearless and similarly if you're

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right we learned something okay hold on

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a second I want to respond one thing to

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Courtney okay

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sorry Fran okay and that is I disagree

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with what was something you said and

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that is that the these presentiments or

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precognitive things are being called in

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by people they only call in the ones

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that happen that's not true the vast

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majority of them are don't turn out to

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have any substance to them but we need

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to know all of those well I'm not saying

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whether you should know them or all in

484
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fact it doesn't do much good because

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it's not a scientific study or

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scientific sample they day just call

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them in they tell them to you they feel

488
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better because they get it so we ought

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to charge a therapist okay let me call

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it off I didn't really can move on it's

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just a question - Courtney Courtney are

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you alerting the media this is a site I

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came to a scientific meeting so that we

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could have an experiment if I go around

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like a like a half drunk screaming the

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you know the sky is falling Austin Los

497
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Angeles is gonna fall into the sea

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there's such a stupid thing they laugh

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at me in the first place it's just a

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scientific question look what we were

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doing is having targets scrambled

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determined in the future

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then doing sessions before they were

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before this the scrambling was revealed

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and then looking at them and decrypting

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everything there's absolutely no

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difference between that and an

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earthquake in Los Angeles in concept the

509
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fact that it involves lives is not an

510
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issue with regard to science we can deal

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with the morality afterwards right now

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we're simply learning and we have some

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data that came in very unexpectedly I

514
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was expecting an airport I wanted a

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control so that I could judge the 2013

516
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stuff and it looks like it was different

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so what are we supposed to do let's

518
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simply learn from it it may not happen

519
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we're trying to find out and if it does

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or doesn't next year if it does happen

521
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I'll be here next year trying to explain

522
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what we learned from it if it doesn't

523
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happen I'll be here next year trying to

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explain what we learned from it okay

525
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Henry not everyone would agree that the

526
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highest value is obtaining scientific

527
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answers to everything and for example

528
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when molecular engineering bio molecular

529
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engineering seemed to be possible the

530
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scientific community actually called the

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moratorium on Earth in order not to

532
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cause possible dangers later on well

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Henry with regard to that if the

534
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prediction turns out to be true maybe

535
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the scientific or actually is not a

536
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prediction it's just data that we're

537
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examining this we're saying looks like

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that let's see

539
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but maybe then the mainstream scientific

540
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community will say something about

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remote viewing being real and if they do

542
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that imagine what we can do anybody else

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want to make comment on the on the panel

544
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in response to that I would like to make

545
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a comment about that I would have liked

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to see more options weren't different

547
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various interpretations applied to the

548
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,330
projection that Courtney is talking

549
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:57,120
about because I am on a certain and I

550
00:24:01,220 --> 00:23:59,280
could pass the same data to several

551
00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:01,230
other analysts and we could very likely

552
00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:03,300
come up with different interpretations I

553
00:24:08,919 --> 00:24:06,350
had that problem in stargazing

554
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:08,929
with multiple people working on a

555
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,570
project it was very difficult sometimes

556
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:14,240
to decide what is the central feature of

557
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,250
the perceptions of the remove hearing

558
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:18,799
perceptions and not everyone not every

559
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:21,140
case that we work on they turn out to be

560
00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:24,140
accurate or correct so I feel like we

561
00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:25,880
probably should have had there should

562
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:28,220
have been more caveat spurred on and

563
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:30,410
maybe have other people look at the data

564
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:33,130
to provide an independent interpretation

565
00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:35,870
it may be something or not of an

566
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,270
earthquake nature but but something that

567
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:41,120
relates to a fire or a building collapse

568
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,010
or something for other reasons that

569
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:44,480
which could have been greatly amplified

570
00:24:48,669 --> 00:24:46,970
so they're working with remote viewing

571
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:48,679
data you have to keep in mind that the

572
00:24:53,770 --> 00:24:50,510
emotional factors sometimes come in and

573
00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:53,780
overpower the reality of the data in a

574
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:56,900
way to to push it off scale okay thank

575
00:24:59,890 --> 00:24:57,049
you

576
00:25:02,430 --> 00:24:59,900
our next question actually continues

577
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:02,440
this line there's a small but vocal

578
00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:05,770
constituency from South California

579
00:25:13,299 --> 00:25:09,309
associate when lives next to the LAX and

580
00:25:15,730 --> 00:25:13,309
the probability plot is not enough for

581
00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:15,740
us I should say and with access to

582
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:18,679
remote viewers what is a difficult maybe

583
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,210
I don't understand dream of you how

584
00:25:26,169 --> 00:25:22,400
difficult is to have the same remote

585
00:25:29,409 --> 00:25:26,179
viewers to see September 1st October 1st

586
00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:29,419
and nail it down precisely matrices we

587
00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:31,040
know it's not a joking matter I know

588
00:25:37,090 --> 00:25:34,340
even 10% probability of such huge and

589
00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:37,100
Escobar's as far as mainstream science

590
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:39,470
is concerned it's a joking matter so if

591
00:25:43,630 --> 00:25:41,720
this turns out to be if it actually

592
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:43,640
turns out to happen then next year we

593
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:45,530
can talk about it as not being a joking

594
00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:47,480
matter but no there's no let me say one

595
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:54,500
thing the the issue of of what we should

596
00:26:01,720 --> 00:25:58,970
do the study was about a hundred and

597
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:01,730
fifty remote viewing sessions with three

598
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:03,980
different and that wasn't the only

599
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:05,390
question being asked there's a ton of

600
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:06,890
stuff and by the way with regard to Dale

601
00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:08,690
stuff the sessions around the web we

602
00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:10,040
really believe that you need to be

603
00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:12,140
educated about remote viewing we don't

604
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:13,700
want these stuff to pass through a

605
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,610
certain clique of analysts to give you

606
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,559
the gospel so you can go home and say

607
00:26:21,889 --> 00:26:19,440
you heard the your

608
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,899
the word from the Reverend we want you

609
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,220
to see it and then see how it goes

610
00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:25,080
yourself look at the data it's up on the

611
00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:26,429
web I spent those three in the morning

612
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:27,990
last night making sure it was ready for

613
00:26:34,399 --> 00:26:31,320
this presentation so go and learn and

614
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,409
now with regard to this stuff this was

615
00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:36,600
the largest collection of this type of

616
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:39,539
remote viewing these are long sessions

617
00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:42,210
sometimes go up to 20 pages 100 about

618
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:44,549
150 of them this is the largest

619
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:46,289
collection of using three different

620
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:48,350
remote viewing methodologies ever done

621
00:26:53,629 --> 00:26:51,480
it was an enormous a project to get

622
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:53,639
three different groups to coordinate to

623
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:55,740
do this to trust each other to go

624
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:57,000
through all the science to hold all of

625
00:27:01,700 --> 00:26:58,200
all the hoops that they had to go

626
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:01,710
through so I use those remote viewers as

627
00:27:05,419 --> 00:27:03,539
much as we got we don't have them

628
00:27:07,009 --> 00:27:05,429
anymore they're burned out thank you and

629
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:07,019
you have more stuff coming any other of

630
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:09,059
the panelists want to comment on that

631
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:13,289
Semyon you know you have to remember I'm

632
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:15,000
sure all of you have heard your share of

633
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:17,129
RV predictions that haven't come true I

634
00:27:22,879 --> 00:27:19,559
won't mention any names but you know

635
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,889
some of these sessions turn out to be I

636
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:24,000
don't know what the right word is

637
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:26,100
incorrect the viewer didn't quite get it

638
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:27,720
right and you don't see the prediction

639
00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:29,370
happening and there's actually a paradox

640
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,830
at work here if you do talk about

641
00:27:35,389 --> 00:27:33,120
something that's gonna happen in the

642
00:27:36,919 --> 00:27:35,399
future you've actually altered the

643
00:27:38,299 --> 00:27:36,929
timeline so to speak because now you've

644
00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:38,309
made it public just the fact that we're

645
00:27:43,249 --> 00:27:40,470
talking about it here changes the

646
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:43,259
causality structure in a sense and so I

647
00:27:46,399 --> 00:27:44,460
think it's actually a very complicated

648
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,409
issue however having said that I do

649
00:27:51,139 --> 00:27:48,960
remember a target at Farr site where a

650
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:51,149
viewer came up with buildings crashing

651
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:54,659
into the World Trade Towers yeah back in

652
00:27:59,539 --> 00:27:56,370
1998 now what were we supposed to do

653
00:28:01,340 --> 00:27:59,549
with that information was it just a AOL

654
00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:01,350
was it correct target contact that

655
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:03,149
wasn't the target by the way Courtney

656
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,919
may remember what the actual target was

657
00:28:08,869 --> 00:28:07,200
but you get these things popping up from

658
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,879
time to time and it's very complex to

659
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:10,440
know what to do with it however

660
00:28:13,999 --> 00:28:11,730
sometimes they do turn out to be correct

661
00:28:14,629 --> 00:28:14,009
like the case of that viewer I think it

662
00:28:16,369 --> 00:28:14,639
was in Detroit

663
00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:16,379
perhaps daily you remember this where he

664
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:18,299
had a dream and he was meeting with his

665
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:20,039
case officer from Washington DC and he

666
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:21,090
had a dream that the plane was gonna

667
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:22,919
crash and he made an excuse to stay in

668
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:25,500
Detroit and the case officer went back

669
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:28,289
in the plane crashed on takeoff it was

670
00:28:31,399 --> 00:28:29,580
he should he had revealed the dream or

671
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:31,409
not he felt foolish I guess so it's a

672
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,340
very complex issue

673
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:35,520
okayyyy months I want to take try to

674
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,289
take this to another level

675
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:39,360
well well actually you follow up on what

676
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,100
Simeon was saying one of the things that

677
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,440
I have noticed and this is none of this

678
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:46,200
is systemic okay because of my interest

679
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,880
in altered states of consciousness I get

680
00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:49,440
tons of people telling me their

681
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:52,230
experiences I also have pre cognitive

682
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:53,909
experiences myself and have tried to

683
00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:56,039
understand them and to understand how

684
00:29:00,860 --> 00:28:58,470
they work and it seems to me that it's a

685
00:29:03,019 --> 00:29:00,870
two-stage process the first stage is

686
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:03,029
that someone becomes convinced that they

687
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:04,919
actually do see something that is going

688
00:29:08,419 --> 00:29:06,690
to happen in the future I mean because I

689
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:08,429
first acknowledge just a coincidence and

690
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,539
there's that and the other thing and

691
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,580
then so after a while you realize that

692
00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:13,559
no you really are picking up something

693
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:15,390
which is going to happen and then the

694
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:16,919
second thing is you freak out you go oh

695
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,330
I don't really want that to happen how

696
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,600
can I change it and it's not clear what

697
00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:24,000
the latitude for change is once you

698
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:26,909
actually see that something is going to

699
00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:28,230
happen and I think that was the point

700
00:29:33,139 --> 00:29:30,750
that Simeon was making and and and where

701
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:33,149
it starts to become complex and in my

702
00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:35,130
own experience I have noticed that

703
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:37,470
sometimes I can't change anything and

704
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:39,899
other times I am able to change

705
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:42,450
something of course once you've changed

706
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:44,039
it people will say well you know what

707
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:45,059
you didn't get it right in the first

708
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:46,980
place so it's that's why I say I think

709
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:48,750
it's a two-stage process first you have

710
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,570
to come to the understanding that there

711
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,760
is reliability to these processes and

712
00:29:57,799 --> 00:29:55,679
when you're getting you know something

713
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,809
which is actually accurate and then the

714
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,820
second part of the process is okay I

715
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:01,919
don't like that outcome how do I change

716
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:03,570
it what are the ways in which you can

717
00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:05,730
change it and to what extent can you

718
00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:13,870
by the way there are about six or eight

719
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:15,740
people who put their hands up I've noted

720
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:21,289
you but there's a there's a backlog I'm

721
00:30:26,669 --> 00:30:23,330
trying to get an understanding of all of

722
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:26,679
this and a handle on it and for me I

723
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:32,110
need to go back to some basic concepts

724
00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:35,330
so I've spent a lot of time thinking

725
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:39,350
about what is the present and what

726
00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:42,230
defines that and I'm not sure I have an

727
00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:44,900
answer to that but starting to get some

728
00:30:50,049 --> 00:30:47,480
sense of what that might mean and in the

729
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:50,059
context of all these discussions what I

730
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:52,250
would like to ask the panel is if you

731
00:30:59,919 --> 00:30:56,240
could please help me define this concept

732
00:31:05,230 --> 00:30:59,929
of the future what exactly is the future

733
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:05,240
that you're discussing I think it's well

734
00:31:10,029 --> 00:31:06,799
stated to say spent a lot of time

735
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,039
thinking about the present because the

736
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:12,080
present is only its now but now it's a

737
00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:13,880
new present and now it's another one so

738
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:15,230
they spend a lot of time thinking about

739
00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:18,830
an instant is interesting but at the

740
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:20,840
experiment that I presented was an

741
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:24,289
attempt to address this issue of what is

742
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:26,450
it that precognition sees and in that

743
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:28,010
experiment it suggests that you see the

744
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:30,830
actual future Russell Targ didn't a

745
00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:32,330
similar experiment with remote viewing

746
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:34,700
and found a similar result and a number

747
00:31:37,779 --> 00:31:35,870
of years earlier I had done an

748
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:37,789
experiment which showed the other result

749
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:40,010
a different kind of task showing that

750
00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:42,860
people were attracted to the probable

751
00:31:47,950 --> 00:31:45,350
present rather than the actual future so

752
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:47,960
this question is empirically testable

753
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:50,330
but the results are still not not

754
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:53,240
completely known yet but actually my

755
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:55,130
question is what do you mean when you

756
00:32:01,120 --> 00:31:57,770
say the actual future how do you define

757
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:01,130
that well the the definition of that is

758
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:02,690
that there there's something like a

759
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:06,260
faded future that must occur so like

760
00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:08,090
when we two seconds from now there will

761
00:32:10,779 --> 00:32:09,500
be a future which will probably be very

762
00:32:13,899 --> 00:32:10,789
similar to the one that we're in right

763
00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:13,909
now that one that we can either think of

764
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:16,820
as the future which is two seconds in

765
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:19,820
the past that future was fated to occur

766
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,929
that's one way to think of it it had to

767
00:32:25,129 --> 00:32:23,580
curr the other way is thinking of it

768
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:25,139
that two seconds from now it's very

769
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:27,240
likely to be pretty much like this but

770
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:28,919
it doesn't have to be we could all go

771
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:32,970
poof in two seconds so the the actual

772
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,480
future then is a construct in which we

773
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,340
presume that some future is going to

774
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:39,600
occur and doesn't matter what you do

775
00:32:45,379 --> 00:32:42,779
about it so to give you an anecdote from

776
00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:45,389
from my life I sometimes have

777
00:32:49,369 --> 00:32:46,830
precognitive dreams that feel very

778
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,379
different than ordinary dreams and one

779
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,960
time I had a dream where I was involved

780
00:32:56,869 --> 00:32:54,179
in a serious car crash and I remember

781
00:32:59,060 --> 00:32:56,879
the the feeling of the airbag exploding

782
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,070
inside the car and all that so I woke up

783
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:00,720
that morning feeling kind of freaked out

784
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:02,369
because I didn't want to be in a car

785
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:05,070
crash so I decided to drive to work a

786
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:07,740
different way and I drove a route which

787
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:09,210
was safer than the route that I normally

788
00:33:14,749 --> 00:33:12,840
Drive so I go I going to work and I'm

789
00:33:18,379 --> 00:33:14,759
sitting at a red light and I get

790
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,389
rear-ended and fortunately it wasn't a

791
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:20,399
serious accident it was relatively minor

792
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:21,779
it cost a lot of money to fix the car

793
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:25,049
but it when I went to the body repair

794
00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:28,049
shop and I told the guy there that he I

795
00:33:31,639 --> 00:33:30,269
needed to fix this and I was there and

796
00:33:33,859 --> 00:33:31,649
had this precognitive dream he said

797
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:33,869
something which was actually surprising

798
00:33:38,749 --> 00:33:36,419
to me said well maybe your additional

799
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,759
action you took action and you avoided

800
00:33:42,859 --> 00:33:40,559
the thing that you heard in your dream

801
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:42,869
in which case the future that I had in

802
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:44,610
my dream might have been faded if I

803
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:46,950
didn't do anything about it but I did

804
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:49,350
take action and so I avoided a or in

805
00:33:54,859 --> 00:33:52,110
that case maybe a potential future so

806
00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:54,869
when we think about freewill I liked the

807
00:33:57,980 --> 00:33:56,669
idea that we have potential futures

808
00:33:59,899 --> 00:33:57,990
because it gives me a chance to do

809
00:34:01,700 --> 00:33:59,909
something but if I don't have a chance

810
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:01,710
to do something well well then you're

811
00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:07,019
screwed I want to very briefly respond

812
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,669
to this as well first thing is I'm

813
00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:10,440
telling my students there is no such

814
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,750
thing as the present so it doesn't pay

815
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,700
to dwell on it and the reason there's no

816
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:16,079
such thing as the present is the

817
00:34:19,549 --> 00:34:17,669
president is in a sense kind of like the

818
00:34:22,789 --> 00:34:19,559
surface of the water in relation to the

819
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:22,799
air that and particularly when you take

820
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:26,010
the the delay in in perceptual

821
00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:27,740
processing that all humans have

822
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:29,840
what we perceive of the present is

823
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:33,980
really just the very recent past and so

824
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:35,570
what it boils down to is you're never

825
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:37,669
remote-viewing present time you're

826
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,290
either remote-viewing past or you

827
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:40,639
remote-viewing future at one or the

828
00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:44,570
other okay so I don't know what that

829
00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:45,560
means accepting helps to maybe

830
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:46,700
understand the reality of things a

831
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:50,240
little bit more and as far as the future

832
00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:51,770
is concerned I'm kind of with Dean on

833
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:55,100
this and also I forget which one have

834
00:34:58,180 --> 00:34:56,450
you said this I think maybe in Courtney

835
00:35:01,180 --> 00:34:58,190
all the evidence points to the fact that

836
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:01,190
the future hasn't happened yet and that

837
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:03,260
seems fairly obvious to some of us but

838
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,030
there are people who philosophically

839
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:06,560
believe that the future is as fixed as

840
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:09,410
the past and the evidence is it is not

841
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:11,630
of course when it comes to remote

842
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:13,100
viewing feature there are more variables

843
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:14,690
than just the nature of time involved

844
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:16,790
you also have more pragmatic things like

845
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:18,890
the competency of the remote viewers

846
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:21,800
themselves the adequacy of the tasking

847
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:24,650
that's presented the circumstances under

848
00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:26,210
which the tasking is presented etc

849
00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:27,860
there's a lot of these these these

850
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:29,600
constraints that affect any remote

851
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:30,920
viewing session and they affect future

852
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,170
and well-being sessions as well and so

853
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:34,880
until you know the value of those

854
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:36,619
variables you often don't know how

855
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:38,330
reliable the future remote viewing is

856
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:40,070
independent of the issue of what the

857
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:43,430
nature of time is those isn't also

858
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:45,609
another confounding issue here that

859
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:47,660
we've been talking more or less about

860
00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:51,350
abstract futures I believe that there

861
00:35:56,349 --> 00:35:53,240
are different kinds of futures to

862
00:36:00,160 --> 00:35:56,359
consider that is a future that arises

863
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:00,170
from someone's intention which is quite

864
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:03,590
variable which we can maybe think of in

865
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:06,290
terms of another mode of SCI functioning

866
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:08,810
it's little mental telepathy I'm not

867
00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:10,910
going to give up a not one yet and now

868
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:13,100
that's just another domain in which

869
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:17,440
futures come into our face so to speak

870
00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:19,670
somebody thinks about giving me a call

871
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,460
tomorrow and I dream about it or have a

872
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:25,280
hunch about it and it comes true but

873
00:36:28,330 --> 00:36:26,480
then something happens to that

874
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,340
individual and that person doesn't call

875
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:30,800
so there was a change in that person's

876
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:34,490
future so it's extremely a variable who

877
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:37,550
type future it's gonna be hard to

878
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:40,220
quantify anywhere but a future having to

879
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,500
do

880
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:44,160
with material sayings accidents is more

881
00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:46,170
difficult it might be more more amenable

882
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:48,840
to a remove Ewing style approach but

883
00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:51,330
even there I would be very cautious

884
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,109
about alternative ways of looking at it

885
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,599
Karl yes um since Garrett posed the

886
00:37:01,720 --> 00:36:59,220
question what one should do I have an

887
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:01,730
anecdote about what one person did do

888
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,570
from a written by the writer from dare

889
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:08,940
Spiegel magazine who went with a Chinese

890
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:11,490
friend to the friends fortune teller and

891
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:12,900
the fortune teller wasn't interested in

892
00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:14,460
the Chinese person going to the fortune

893
00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:16,230
teller but she told him I'm not

894
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:17,550
interested in you I'm interested in you

895
00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:21,570
and she said you almost were killed in

896
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:23,580
when he was in Cambodia and said you'll

897
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:25,050
live a long life as long as you don't

898
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:27,480
fly in 1994 or something like that and

899
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:30,210
so he he was kind of freaked out that

900
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,300
she could see his past very well in a

901
00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:35,700
way that he he said he would never tell

902
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:39,270
people but she called it right on and so

903
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,430
he thought about it and decided not to

904
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,160
fly for the year that this the fortune

905
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:45,599
teller encouraged him not to or

906
00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:48,030
suggested you know it was his peril time

907
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:50,580
and he said the person that replaced him

908
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,369
died in a plane crash in that year so

909
00:37:59,060 --> 00:37:55,380
that year he travelled by land and

910
00:38:01,280 --> 00:37:59,070
traveled around Asia so that's just an

911
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:01,290
anecdote of what someone chose to do let

912
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:03,089
me make one comment you're all talking

913
00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:06,810
about men methods and strategies for

914
00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:09,990
intervening with the time line that's

915
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:13,190
exactly why we have not been able to

916
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:16,050
predict the future when you have the

917
00:38:21,380 --> 00:38:18,150
possibility of intervening with the time

918
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:21,390
line so in order for the experiment to

919
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:22,920
work that we have done at the Institute

920
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:25,260
we have to make sure nothing can

921
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:26,910
interfere with the time line that's why

922
00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:29,910
we encrypt everything nothing is that

923
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,230
what it was not what is without

924
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:32,640
encryption at the highest level of

925
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,720
encryption government grade encryption

926
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,520
and then we put it up on the web let

927
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:37,440
everybody have it tens of thousands of

928
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:39,750
people download it and we all wait and

929
00:38:43,579 --> 00:38:41,490
then a down don't Dow Jones number comes

930
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:43,589
out and we can decrypt it and see we got

931
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:44,160
it right

932
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:45,810
the thing about an earthquake is

933
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:48,680
different from a scientific perspective

934
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:51,210
nothing that humans can do can change it

935
00:38:54,299 --> 00:38:53,910
so it's like encryption so from our

936
00:38:56,939 --> 00:38:54,309
perspective

937
00:38:59,699 --> 00:38:56,949
of science it's a really good experiment

938
00:39:01,679 --> 00:38:59,709
it may sound like a horrific human thing

939
00:39:03,569 --> 00:39:01,689
but we're not causing the earthquake but

940
00:39:06,569 --> 00:39:03,579
if there is one and I'm you have to

941
00:39:08,579 --> 00:39:06,579
emphasize the if will learn something

942
00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:08,589
from this Courtney why do you say that

943
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:10,119
there's nothing we can do to intervene

944
00:39:13,319 --> 00:39:12,130
with an earthquake I think there's a lot

945
00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:13,329
we can do to intervene with the nurse

946
00:39:19,049 --> 00:39:15,400
like what well we all jump up and down

947
00:39:20,489 --> 00:39:19,059
at the same time or I mean you know

948
00:39:22,469 --> 00:39:20,499
you're in the Superman movie you have

949
00:39:23,729 --> 00:39:22,479
charges underground you can blast it I

950
00:39:25,289 --> 00:39:23,739
mean there's there's plenty of things

951
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:25,299
that could happen between now and now

952
00:39:29,759 --> 00:39:27,369
and then but that would require

953
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:29,769
resources what government or agency

954
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:31,630
would take a series that's a different

955
00:39:36,989 --> 00:39:34,660
issue all right well at least for us

956
00:39:39,509 --> 00:39:36,999
we'll resourceless let's at least learn

957
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:39,519
from it can I you know can i I don't

958
00:39:43,529 --> 00:39:40,839
want a monopoly but can I just say one

959
00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:43,539
thing about the the timeline thing look

960
00:39:46,529 --> 00:39:44,680
at quantum mechanics

961
00:39:48,539 --> 00:39:46,539
you can't escape this problem without

962
00:39:50,969 --> 00:39:48,549
understanding it if you create a

963
00:39:54,329 --> 00:39:50,979
particle there are plane waves plane

964
00:39:56,579 --> 00:39:54,339
waves extends about all of space when

965
00:39:58,769 --> 00:39:56,589
you create a particle these plane waves

966
00:40:00,779 --> 00:39:58,779
that extend through all the space they

967
00:40:02,429 --> 00:40:00,789
combine they added add this is the

968
00:40:03,959 --> 00:40:02,439
superposition principle they add

969
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:03,969
together and when you get a

970
00:40:08,789 --> 00:40:07,089
superposition you get a blip it's not

971
00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:08,799
the waves extending all throughout all

972
00:40:12,749 --> 00:40:10,749
the space they localized and you get a

973
00:40:17,249 --> 00:40:12,759
blip the repeated blips but you do get a

974
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:17,259
central blip and that thing moves that

975
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:19,689
is your particle and when this thing

976
00:40:24,809 --> 00:40:22,839
moves you have motion you cannot have

977
00:40:27,749 --> 00:40:24,819
motion without to praying plane waves at

978
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:27,759
least and when you have motion you have

979
00:40:33,989 --> 00:40:31,390
time now if you're to ask how would you

980
00:40:35,939 --> 00:40:33,999
affect time there's only one thing you

981
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:35,949
can do if you look at the equations of

982
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:39,249
that superposition that thing you've got

983
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:41,049
to affect its energy which is its

984
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:43,689
frequency now you can say well what

985
00:40:48,809 --> 00:40:46,150
would affect a frequency how could you

986
00:40:50,279 --> 00:40:48,819
then talk about frequency you have to

987
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:50,289
then talk about not the frequency of the

988
00:40:53,849 --> 00:40:51,459
plane wave if you have to talk about the

989
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,859
frequency of the blip and then you're

990
00:40:57,329 --> 00:40:55,839
talking about its group velocity because

991
00:40:58,769 --> 00:40:57,339
you have a group of plane waves put

992
00:41:02,999 --> 00:40:58,779
together so you have a group velocity

993
00:41:04,919 --> 00:41:03,009
and it has its own phase speed and this

994
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:04,929
phase speed you talk about in terms of

995
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,290
frequency anything that's out of phase

996
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:10,800
of that thing it doesn't interact with

997
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:13,210
how would you change the phase of

998
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:14,440
something you change it with its energy

999
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:18,220
and so if you want to be out of phase of

1000
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:20,110
that thing and thus no longer able to

1001
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:22,780
interact in superposition with that

1002
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:25,330
thing you have to have its energy change

1003
00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:27,250
in some way and then you can say okay

1004
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:29,020
well how could that happen I don't know

1005
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:31,570
but let me give you a real wild idea if

1006
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:34,420
there was a big bang what happens with

1007
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,940
the Big Bang you get a lot of energy all

1008
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:38,800
at once in the deep center right and it

1009
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:40,390
expands out what happens when energy

1010
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:45,280
expands it lowers its frequency it

1011
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:47,050
lowers its energy level because you're

1012
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:48,670
distributing it over large in art space

1013
00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:51,850
so it may be that the expansion of the

1014
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:55,720
universe actually creates time and the

1015
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:57,310
reason that we can't see the past

1016
00:42:02,940 --> 00:41:59,290
present of the future is we are simply

1017
00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:02,950
out of phase from that and what you do

1018
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:05,080
when you Remote View is you use your

1019
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:07,780
brain as a modulating device very

1020
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:10,450
similar to a radio to tune in very

1021
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:12,580
delicately to the capabilities of the

1022
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:15,730
physiological interface to alternate

1023
00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:17,230
frequencies and you can tune in to

1024
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,020
certain things you see if we think about

1025
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:22,960
it long enough it's no longer a black

1026
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:25,510
box there are theoretical components

1027
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:27,220
that we already know especially within

1028
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:29,050
quantum mechanics that can already give

1029
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:31,650
us a little leverage to help may work

1030
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:37,300
next question it seems to me that we've

1031
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:40,150
gotten away a little bit from the idea

1032
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:43,330
of ethics and you know we're talking

1033
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:46,600
about other things actually here and I

1034
00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:48,580
would rephrase it should there be limits

1035
00:42:54,210 --> 00:42:52,900
on what is to be remote viewed let me

1036
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:54,220
give you a couple of examples

1037
00:43:01,020 --> 00:42:57,100
you know privacy should you be a voyeur

1038
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:01,030
for example or economic predictors you

1039
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:02,500
know we have laws against insider

1040
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:05,110
trading for example that kind of thing

1041
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:07,750
goes on so rephrasing it should there be

1042
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:09,640
limits on what is to be viewed what

1043
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:12,520
would you be your response to that okay

1044
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:14,260
this one I will handle

1045
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:17,350
we actually at the last curve a

1046
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:19,750
conference last October had a panel on

1047
00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:23,620
this very issue and the fact matters

1048
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:25,720
first of all you could treat remote

1049
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:26,770
viewing the same way you treat

1050
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:31,270
surveillance by whatever state laws and

1051
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:32,950
whatever but the ethical principles

1052
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:35,740
behind those in fact things that would

1053
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:38,290
harm a person or invade a person privacy

1054
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:42,100
would be off-limits for example and you

1055
00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:43,450
could specify a number of these things

1056
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:45,340
just like you said like insider trading

1057
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:47,500
whatever might be but the remote doing

1058
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:50,290
equivalent of any of that you specify

1059
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:52,030
that I was all being off limits or

1060
00:43:56,010 --> 00:43:53,830
against the law or whatever but there

1061
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,020
was one major difference between remote

1062
00:44:01,590 --> 00:43:58,920
viewing and all of that other stuff and

1063
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:01,600
that is that a remote view were working

1064
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:03,190
in private could do anything he or she

1065
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:05,170
wanted and there would be absolutely no

1066
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:06,370
way to prove that anything had happened

1067
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:10,030
and so there's no smoking gun so you

1068
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:12,190
could specify ethics you couldn't

1069
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:15,940
enforce them I'd like to come in on that

1070
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:20,560
I don't believe it's possible for a

1071
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:23,140
person with high potential or remote

1072
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:25,810
viewer to really do anything that's

1073
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:29,020
truly unethical I do have confidence in

1074
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:31,330
the nature of our subconscious mind I'm

1075
00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:33,070
not not necessarily coming from the fur

1076
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:35,740
daeun or Union perspective but I do

1077
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:37,690
believe that we have filters built into

1078
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:40,420
our minds our subconscious minds along

1079
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:42,820
the line of things that filter out and

1080
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:45,490
prevent us from accessing things that we

1081
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:47,830
should not know about and those things

1082
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:50,110
that we can know about well then we

1083
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:51,970
could probably learn them for other from

1084
00:44:58,220 --> 00:44:55,480
other sources to case in point if a

1085
00:45:00,300 --> 00:44:58,230
criminal does not want to be caught a

1086
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:00,310
person that's working on that case

1087
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:02,980
probably can do it because it's in the

1088
00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:05,650
nature of society to want that criminal

1089
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:08,830
clock otherwise that's person secret

1090
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,870
would be kept a secret to himself now

1091
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:12,640
that happens to be my personal view and

1092
00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:15,220
I know that this is not the view that's

1093
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:17,980
in the majority view for people that do

1094
00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:19,900
the real viewing but I have not seen

1095
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,240
anything to the contrary so rather than

1096
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:27,520
going around people

1097
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,830
who have questions please come up to

1098
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:32,560
lineup for the questions one thing that

1099
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:34,690
I ask of the questioners and that is

1100
00:45:40,109 --> 00:45:37,210
once we've more or less worn a topic

1101
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:40,119
through such as the ethics of it let's

1102
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:42,610
move on and after some other questions

1103
00:45:46,109 --> 00:45:44,380
have been asked please don't go back to

1104
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:46,119
that original remember gear at that

1105
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:51,610
topic was your fault it was it was I am

1106
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:55,090
actively liable yes many cultures have

1107
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,540
identified changes that are coming about

1108
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,119
between now and 2012 I wanted to know

1109
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,280
how much of the front loading including

1110
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:06,400
remote viewers with all the information

1111
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:08,020
that has been predicted by the cultures

1112
00:46:13,530 --> 00:46:10,990
not just the Mayans and the calendar but

1113
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:13,540
all cultures have identified changes

1114
00:46:19,290 --> 00:46:16,510
earth changes cosmic alignment changes

1115
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:19,300
that all remote viewers as well as many

1116
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:22,450
people are bringing this information to

1117
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:27,700
the acrostic record or the great

1118
00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:31,119
consciousness and is this front-loading

1119
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:34,060
any of the remote viewers and is there

1120
00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:36,130
any other insights that can be seen with

1121
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:41,320
this you know we we get asked that

1122
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:42,790
question all the time and I'd have to

1123
00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:45,160
say I think just to go back a second off

1124
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:46,630
this is going back or forward I think

1125
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:48,070
there are many versions of all future

1126
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:49,570
events I guess I disagree with Paul

1127
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:51,640
about this and the past events I think

1128
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:53,080
this came up in Garrett stop dating

1129
00:46:56,609 --> 00:46:54,670
scenario two I think they're different

1130
00:46:58,590 --> 00:46:56,619
versions of the past when you're doing

1131
00:46:59,880 --> 00:46:58,600
RV you can kind of feel that you're

1132
00:47:01,890 --> 00:46:59,890
perceiving these they feel like they're

1133
00:47:04,109 --> 00:47:01,900
happening now so with regard to 2012 I

1134
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:04,119
would say there's one that's probably

1135
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:06,070
more probable than others a possibility

1136
00:47:08,849 --> 00:47:07,119
but doesn't mean that there are not a

1137
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:08,859
lot of other possibilities it's not just

1138
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:10,390
fixed in stone that's my point of view

1139
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:12,810
well many of us have heard stories

1140
00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:15,700
several were mentioned here where we had

1141
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:17,080
a premonition about something bad

1142
00:47:23,810 --> 00:47:20,440
happening and we were able to intervene

1143
00:47:30,329 --> 00:47:26,720
I think there's a difference of the 2012

1144
00:47:32,969 --> 00:47:30,339
mythology and I use that word on purpose

1145
00:47:34,650 --> 00:47:32,979
the 2012 things course started with some

1146
00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:34,660
some comments about the Mayan calendar

1147
00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:37,660
ending in 2012 it doesn't it does not

1148
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:41,079
end in 2012 that was further exacerbated

1149
00:47:45,689 --> 00:47:43,930
by effort by a colleague and sort of

1150
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:45,699
friend of mine who got on late-night

1151
00:47:52,529 --> 00:47:47,380
radio show and declared he couldn't

1152
00:47:54,179 --> 00:47:52,539
Remote View past 2012 first of all given

1153
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:54,189
what I know the reliability remote

1154
00:47:57,539 --> 00:47:55,569
viewing the future and the fact that it

1155
00:48:01,199 --> 00:47:57,549
gets even less reliable the farther out

1156
00:48:03,029 --> 00:48:01,209
you go not being able to remote view

1157
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:03,039
past 2012 there's no indicator at all as

1158
00:48:08,459 --> 00:48:06,670
far as I'm concerned okay but I think

1159
00:48:09,959 --> 00:48:08,469
there is I almost want to call it

1160
00:48:12,179 --> 00:48:09,969
cultural hysteria that's grown up around

1161
00:48:14,449 --> 00:48:12,189
the 2012 thing and I'm a great I'm a

1162
00:48:16,439 --> 00:48:14,459
serious pessimist and not pessimist but

1163
00:48:19,949 --> 00:48:16,449
skeptic I'll even admit to being a

1164
00:48:21,689 --> 00:48:19,959
skeptic about all this 2012 stuff as far

1165
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:21,699
as I know no other cultures put a date

1166
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:23,410
on any kind of these apocalyptic things

1167
00:48:27,749 --> 00:48:25,150
and they've been uttering apocalyptic

1168
00:48:32,579 --> 00:48:27,759
warnings and things for well at least

1169
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:32,589
3,000 years and so I I just I'm sorry

1170
00:48:41,429 --> 00:48:33,849
I'm very skeptical about all of that

1171
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:41,439
please I'd like very much the panelists

1172
00:48:47,189 --> 00:48:43,569
of course web everyone and so that

1173
00:48:50,489 --> 00:48:47,199
question if possible consciousness would

1174
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:50,499
you define consciousness and of course

1175
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:53,380
tell me whether it's immortal or subject

1176
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:05,250
I'm gonna start interesting because the

1177
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:07,630
question was conscious behind this one

1178
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:10,060
to different people so how do you define

1179
00:49:17,730 --> 00:49:13,420
consciousness and is it immortal or is

1180
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:17,740
it subject to entropy well my view is

1181
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:19,330
that consciousness is not subject to

1182
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:21,930
entropy I think that consciousness is

1183
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:25,090
created by the universe and it it's it

1184
00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:27,010
exists forever I think you you just

1185
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:28,360
exist and that's it

1186
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:37,810
you exist so get over it and it's at the

1187
00:49:41,790 --> 00:49:40,390
most fundamental state of of universal

1188
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:41,800
awareness I guess is what I would say I

1189
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:43,570
think it pre-exists matter I think it

1190
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:46,290
pre-exists most of what we see and it

1191
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:48,730
transcends basically all the levels that

1192
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:50,410
you can see in it justice it's a like a

1193
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:52,810
law of the universe that it exists it's

1194
00:49:58,890 --> 00:49:57,460
permanent ok well I thought I had to

1195
00:50:00,180 --> 00:49:58,900
spend some time on this subject this

1196
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:00,190
morning

1197
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:04,060
I think consciousness as we understand

1198
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:06,490
it as humans and I think you can only

1199
00:50:09,350 --> 00:50:07,690
take them individually I mean you can

1200
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:09,360
talk about consciousness is this big

1201
00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:10,990
overwhelming thing that fills the

1202
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:13,300
universe I I don't think that there's

1203
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:16,750
much you speculating on that what we

1204
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:18,190
know as conscious is what we know is our

1205
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:20,650
own specific conscious experience and

1206
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:23,410
it's a very subjective kind of thing and

1207
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:25,330
in that sense my own belief is that

1208
00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:27,640
consciousness is a mixed physical and

1209
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:30,870
extra physical kind of a entity and that

1210
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:33,880
some of what we think is mental is

1211
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:35,890
probably brain and some of that some of

1212
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:37,990
what the physicalist think is brain is

1213
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:41,050
probably mental and not physical ok and

1214
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:42,540
at least in the sense they mean it

1215
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:44,530
beyond that I don't know what I can

1216
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:46,090
define it I mean as I explained this

1217
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:47,950
morning I can't tell you what my

1218
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:50,290
conscious experience is like I can't

1219
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:52,330
even define it for you other than to say

1220
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:54,700
well it's what I experience when I'm

1221
00:51:01,460 --> 00:50:57,010
being conscious which is not really

1222
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:04,700
well I just actually hadn't acknowledged

1223
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:06,569
that that's a very non reductive

1224
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:09,690
response okay and I have to say that I

1225
00:51:14,059 --> 00:51:11,609
think the parts of consciousness that

1226
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:14,069
are not physical you know there's the

1227
00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:15,450
extra physical mass of conscious

1228
00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:18,200
consciousness are not subject to entropy

1229
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,990
okay we may not excuse me Dean you're

1230
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,579
welcome to answer it but we don't have

1231
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:31,200
to all answer it just because we may

1232
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:32,730
want to move on I have a good answer

1233
00:51:42,859 --> 00:51:40,200
okay I don't know Dean you seem to be

1234
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:42,869
the expert in empirical research I'm

1235
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,450
gonna beat that question to death again

1236
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,480
the idea of time being fixed and not

1237
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,359
changeable versus maybe you can change

1238
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:53,760
it by knowing about it and affecting it

1239
00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:54,270
in the future

1240
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:56,369
is there any way we can structure an

1241
00:52:00,319 --> 00:51:57,569
experiment that we could determine

1242
00:52:02,059 --> 00:52:00,329
whether in fact we could change the

1243
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:02,069
future event I mean there's a lot of

1244
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:03,510
paradoxes but it's something that I

1245
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,970
think if anybody on this panel could do

1246
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:07,500
it you could probably do it better well

1247
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:10,310
it's it's the bilking experiment I think

1248
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,990
Garrett did you mention that the yeah

1249
00:52:15,859 --> 00:52:14,460
the bilking experiment if you have

1250
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:15,869
knowledge of the future can you change

1251
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:20,000
the future it is in principle testable

1252
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:22,380
I've been thinking for years about how

1253
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:24,270
to do that and have them come up with a

1254
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:27,900
method which is which is doable quite

1255
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:29,990
yet and that's because the nature of

1256
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:33,630
presenting men or or precognition by

1257
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:35,880
almost any means is not good enough on a

1258
00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:38,310
single trial basis to be able to say

1259
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:40,230
with any assurance that that future

1260
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:42,930
event is actually going to occur so we

1261
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:44,250
before you can get to a bilking

1262
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,630
experiment you need a better sense of

1263
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,280
what is it that precognition is actually

1264
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:49,920
looking at we know that it does work we

1265
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:51,450
know that remote viewing the future is

1266
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:54,030
given it does happen right and the thing

1267
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:56,250
is that if you see the future and you

1268
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,720
see something such as you saw or but the

1269
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:02,880
long and short of it it was seen I mean

1270
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:04,650
my immediate reaction would be okay I

1271
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:06,450
got a problem I got to find out when and

1272
00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:07,890
where and what is this all about

1273
00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:09,830
not just speculate on it

1274
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:11,750
and that could be done but the point is

1275
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:14,500
if we know the future can be changed

1276
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:16,850
that it's worth doing if you know the

1277
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:18,830
future cannot be changed well I know

1278
00:53:23,290 --> 00:53:21,290
about right well it's a very it's a good

1279
00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:23,300
question that it's I think it is

1280
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:25,880
testable but as he said I haven't come

1281
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:27,410
up with a way yet maybe somebody else

1282
00:53:32,050 --> 00:53:29,510
will of coming up with a way to actually

1283
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,060
do a bilking experiment and get a clear

1284
00:53:37,570 --> 00:53:34,880
answer but some futures can be changed

1285
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:37,580
so we have data then even though it

1286
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:40,610
might be anecdotal I said that yeah but

1287
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:43,010
what's wrong with that each individual

1288
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:44,840
is living an individual life you're not

1289
00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:46,790
looking at people trying to collect a

1290
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:48,620
lot of data it's what is the value for

1291
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:50,600
each individual and if something happens

1292
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,180
to you you perceive as a possible future

1293
00:53:58,210 --> 00:53:56,000
that's threatening by all means you can

1294
00:54:00,250 --> 00:53:58,220
you can take action to change it even if

1295
00:54:02,770 --> 00:54:00,260
it cannot be proven that it was actually

1296
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:02,780
going to happen I mean there is a big

1297
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:04,520
paradox isn't gasification

1298
00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:06,770
but it'd be worthwhile I think trying to

1299
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,300
develop some type of experiment that

1300
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:10,640
short range not three seconds but maybe

1301
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,070
a day two days a week or something like

1302
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:16,160
that well in in the world of

1303
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:17,630
precognition three seconds and three

1304
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,930
years is the same there's a good point

1305
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:22,880
to be based on that you know you're sort

1306
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:24,950
of demanding that more work be done on

1307
00:54:29,380 --> 00:54:28,010
this but that's exactly right once we

1308
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:29,390
get to the point where mainstream

1309
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:32,710
science acknowledges the reality of sigh

1310
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:35,570
then we can get some of the funding we

1311
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:37,490
deal with whatever resources Dean has

1312
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:39,110
resources to have some machines you know

1313
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:40,400
how hard it is to get a Michaels an

1314
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:42,140
interferometer it's really I mean I

1315
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:44,050
don't have one we have other resources

1316
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:46,550
so we have remote viewing resources and

1317
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:49,730
you know you know computers but that's

1318
00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:52,460
it so with the limited resources we have

1319
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:54,950
we do what we can so in my realm its

1320
00:55:03,120 --> 00:54:57,740
theory and removing experiments with

1321
00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:04,900
December of this year

1322
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,580
it may happen before there's gonna be an

1323
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:10,400
earthquake in Los Angeles responsibly

1324
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:12,770
you should be taking your timeline you

1325
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:14,270
could give everybody a blank piece of

1326
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:16,490
paper to a timeline you find out exactly

1327
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:22,540
my next objective okay but I we can't

1328
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:24,140
supply it but it's the right thing to

1329
00:55:30,250 --> 00:55:27,500
ask I apologize this is not exactly a

1330
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,260
different subject but it's a different

1331
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:31,760
part of the same subject you've already

1332
00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:34,130
answered it that may be like that east

1333
00:55:40,299 --> 00:55:37,880
panelists in a fairly brief way what's

1334
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:40,309
your own observation being about the

1335
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,240
accuracy of past present and future

1336
00:55:48,609 --> 00:55:45,920
targets I've heard gentlemen monocles

1337
00:55:51,490 --> 00:55:48,619
say his accuracy is 65 to 80 percent

1338
00:55:52,829 --> 00:55:51,500
past present and future are the same I'd

1339
00:55:55,569 --> 00:55:52,839
like to know if you disagree or agree

1340
00:55:57,490 --> 00:55:55,579
and I'm assuming I'm taking out the

1341
00:55:59,380 --> 00:55:57,500
possibility of influencing the future

1342
00:56:01,480 --> 00:55:59,390
event we say we don't influence it we

1343
00:56:03,849 --> 00:56:01,490
just record it and see what happens

1344
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:03,859
Clawd that's a great question my

1345
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:07,010
suggestion is we just did a recent

1346
00:56:10,059 --> 00:56:08,450
experiment on that we only do it every

1347
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:10,069
few like last time we did an experiment

1348
00:56:13,569 --> 00:56:12,530
was 1999-2000 so it was a long time it

1349
00:56:15,579 --> 00:56:13,579
takes a long time to gather the

1350
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:15,589
resources to do something like this the

1351
00:56:19,089 --> 00:56:17,030
type of experiment with that many

1352
00:56:21,579 --> 00:56:19,099
viewers three different methodologies in

1353
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:21,589
that many sessions that was very rare

1354
00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:24,410
and the sessions are up now so the

1355
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,260
answer is at a click of a mouse you can

1356
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:28,880
start asking that question yourself the

1357
00:56:33,549 --> 00:56:31,910
data are there we are a nonprofit that

1358
00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:33,559
means a non-profit research and

1359
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:35,030
educational institute you came you

1360
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:37,430
studied with us the point is now you can

1361
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:38,809
look at these data those are some of the

1362
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:40,460
best viewers that have ever been trained

1363
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:43,520
they spent 12 15 years learning the

1364
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:46,130
various methodologies the data are up

1365
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:48,470
you can do the evaluation to yourself in

1366
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:51,049
terms of figuring out how how good those

1367
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:53,030
things can be let me modify the question

1368
00:56:56,620 --> 00:56:54,650
a little bit because I realized a lot in

1369
00:56:58,809 --> 00:56:56,630
a lot of cases you may not have kept

1370
00:57:00,670 --> 00:56:58,819
like rigorous statistics on these things

1371
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:00,680
but if you haven't you have a general

1372
00:57:04,539 --> 00:57:02,930
impression for whether future past and

1373
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:04,549
present are the same or is there a

1374
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:07,010
diminution of accuracy for future that

1375
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:09,020
would be we have found out in our

1376
00:57:14,770 --> 00:57:12,470
studies that if you strictly control the

1377
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:14,780
information flow so that you don't leak

1378
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:17,630
any information out you can predict the

1379
00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:20,420
future with the one type of experiment

1380
00:57:25,299 --> 00:57:23,900
we're good at having the targets that

1381
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:25,309
are going that are being remote viewed

1382
00:57:29,729 --> 00:57:27,710
having them determined in the future

1383
00:57:33,279 --> 00:57:29,739
with a very

1384
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:33,289
we can remote view a session now and the

1385
00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:34,940
set and the target for that session is

1386
00:57:41,049 --> 00:57:38,029
determined months weeks into the future

1387
00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:41,059
and accuracy is extremely high so that's

1388
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:43,160
one experiment we have figured out how

1389
00:57:45,729 --> 00:57:44,390
to do there's a whole bunch of stuff we

1390
00:57:47,979 --> 00:57:45,739
don't know how to do but we got that one

1391
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:47,989
thing down how about the other panelists

1392
00:57:52,229 --> 00:57:49,730
what are your experience in that same

1393
00:57:55,029 --> 00:57:52,239
question I don't have a lot of detailed

1394
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,039
laboratory experience the law did work

1395
00:57:59,259 --> 00:57:57,920
with the answer I quit for many years so

1396
00:58:02,349 --> 00:57:59,269
I'm have to I'll have to come in with

1397
00:58:05,140 --> 00:58:02,359
sort of an opinion a judgement based on

1398
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:05,150
20 or so years involvement in the field

1399
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:08,450
and I strongly feel that the further out

1400
00:58:13,059 --> 00:58:11,210
you go in time the less reliable is this

1401
00:58:16,359 --> 00:58:13,069
going to be this is going to be a fall

1402
00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:16,369
off and it's just the way I feel about

1403
00:58:22,259 --> 00:58:20,150
it and I have some data points but not

1404
00:58:25,809 --> 00:58:22,269
enough to put up in a scientific

1405
00:58:28,269 --> 00:58:25,819
pedestal so my opinion is it's going to

1406
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:28,279
fall off with time the question is is it

1407
00:58:31,809 --> 00:58:30,200
exponential which is going to be the

1408
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:31,819
valuable piece of information on by

1409
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:34,970
itself or linear or some other value but

1410
00:58:39,009 --> 00:58:37,249
I feel it's going to fall off and the

1411
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:39,019
further out you get you've got to really

1412
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:43,730
watch it well all I can refer to as the

1413
00:58:49,930 --> 00:58:46,130
empirical data so the pair lab has

1414
00:58:52,359 --> 00:58:49,940
tested this and found that there's no

1415
00:58:54,430 --> 00:58:52,369
change in depending on distance but on

1416
00:58:56,620 --> 00:58:54,440
the other hand there's a woman named

1417
00:58:58,599 --> 00:58:56,630
Nancy Sandow who did an experiment and

1418
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:58,609
tracking her precognitive dreams over

1419
00:59:02,739 --> 00:59:00,380
many years and she found that there was

1420
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:02,749
an exponential decline in future

1421
00:59:06,579 --> 00:59:05,390
prediction which to which she attributed

1422
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:06,589
to something like branching

1423
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:08,569
probabilities further out in the future

1424
00:59:12,489 --> 00:59:10,249
you go the more likely that the future

1425
00:59:19,509 --> 00:59:12,499
could change the time scale for that

1426
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:19,519
exponential a year I know that

1427
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,230
experiment I've talked to Nancy about

1428
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:24,079
that and it does go out a couple of

1429
00:59:36,009 --> 00:59:32,880
regarding past / present remote viewing

1430
00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:36,019
I usually tell folks when I ask that

1431
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:37,430
question what percentage I'll say

1432
00:59:41,739 --> 00:59:39,650
roughly a trained and experienced remote

1433
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:41,749
viewer is going to turn in results that

1434
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:42,650
show they were on target

1435
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:46,910
roughly 70% of the time okay and of that

1436
00:59:54,190 --> 00:59:51,650
70% perhaps seat-of-the-pants 50% of the

1437
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:54,200
time they produce really good data okay

1438
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:56,090
so maybe 35% of the time you're doing a

1439
01:00:00,310 --> 00:59:57,710
dynamite session if you're really good

1440
01:00:01,780 --> 01:00:00,320
right but at least 70 70 percent of the

1441
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:01,790
time you produce evidence that you were

1442
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:05,840
on target all right doing just an

1443
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:08,570
open-ended future session like when's

1444
01:00:11,830 --> 01:00:09,890
the next terrorist attack going to be

1445
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:11,840
and where or or something like that

1446
01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:14,930
right a predictive kind of a thing the

1447
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:16,760
evidences that drops off dramatically

1448
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:19,880
and very quickly some of the evidence

1449
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:21,410
that I have for that is a series of

1450
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:22,730
research projects that Dale probably

1451
01:00:28,450 --> 01:00:26,990
knows about done at Fort Meade where

1452
01:00:29,530 --> 01:00:28,460
they were trying to predict what was

1453
01:00:31,390 --> 01:00:29,540
going to be on the front page of the

1454
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:31,400
news week of Newsweek and then the other

1455
01:00:35,050 --> 01:00:32,840
nor was the Washington Post in other

1456
01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:35,060
words but prediction didn't involve tell

1457
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:36,460
us what the headline said it involved

1458
01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:38,540
describing a picture on the front page

1459
01:00:43,330 --> 01:00:40,340
or something like that right on a set

1460
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:43,340
time in the future and the results of

1461
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:45,230
that uniformly were in the single or

1462
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:47,870
very low double digits percent accuracy

1463
01:00:53,650 --> 01:00:49,910
as compared to the 70 percent I just

1464
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:53,660
told you about okay and I haven't seen

1465
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,430
no reason to dispute that in all of the

1466
01:01:00,190 --> 01:00:57,920
other future remote viewing that I've

1467
01:01:02,530 --> 01:01:00,200
seen done and have been reported and

1468
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:02,540
those of you know who know the ones the

1469
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:05,210
future ones that are produced on

1470
01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:06,920
late-night radio you know that's almost

1471
01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:11,630
as a zero percent hit rate okay there

1472
01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:12,980
are some other issues with those but

1473
01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:14,590
nonetheless it's part of the data pool

1474
01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:18,740
the one exception is associated remote

1475
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:21,500
viewing and an associative remote

1476
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,920
viewing you go back to the 70% rate all

1477
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:26,960
right and the reason for that is I think

1478
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:29,690
and I think and we could argue this

1479
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:31,670
later but I think the the pair PRP

1480
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:34,670
actually fits in this model I think what

1481
01:01:38,830 --> 01:01:37,250
happens is I hold with the probabilistic

1482
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:38,840
feature of the branching future model

1483
01:01:41,650 --> 01:01:40,070
right there's a lot of different

1484
01:01:43,210 --> 01:01:41,660
possible futures you may remote you the

1485
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:43,220
wrong one assume you're even remote

1486
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:46,970
viewing right with a RV you collapse the

1487
01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:49,940
timeline in one narrow sector to almost

1488
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:52,820
unity that you are going to get a

1489
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:55,250
certain outcome at a certain specified

1490
01:01:59,470 --> 01:01:56,000
time

1491
01:02:01,000 --> 01:01:59,480
and for that reason you end up with a

1492
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:01,010
much higher probability of getting the

1493
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:02,210
target correct because there aren't

1494
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:04,010
branching timelines in that particular

1495
01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:05,450
part of the data stream or that the

1496
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:10,700
future stream the time stream so that

1497
01:02:14,589 --> 01:02:12,710
would be my answer that general remote

1498
01:02:17,380 --> 01:02:14,599
in future actually is dramatically less

1499
01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:17,390
but in certain certain variations of

1500
01:02:21,490 --> 01:02:19,190
that you end up with much higher

1501
01:02:27,070 --> 01:02:21,500
accuracy potential in doing those kind

1502
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:27,080
of experiments or sessions yeah Clawd I

1503
01:02:29,410 --> 01:02:27,880
can't answer that question

1504
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:29,420
scientifically but just from my

1505
01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:30,830
experience it's obvious that Courtney

1506
01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:32,300
has a newer methodology for sort of

1507
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,070
dealing with this but I'd agree with

1508
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,599
Paul that basically when you have a

1509
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,280
dichotomous outcome it's only two

1510
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:38,960
choices we seem to get about the 7

1511
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:41,210
percent accuracy rate for ARV but in

1512
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:43,609
terms of you know world events and

1513
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,410
things that could be happening farther

1514
01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:46,880
in the future because of branching

1515
01:02:50,170 --> 01:02:48,830
probabilities it multiplies so quickly

1516
01:02:52,349 --> 01:02:50,180
over time that it doesn't seem to me

1517
01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:52,359
that it's very accurate past a few days

1518
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:56,030
can you explain ARV yeah ARV is

1519
01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:57,770
associated remote viewing it's when you

1520
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,430
associate a future outcome with one of

1521
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,440
two targets and you have the viewer view

1522
01:03:07,930 --> 01:03:05,119
which target they're going to be shown a

1523
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:07,940
day or two from now in order to see if

1524
01:03:11,290 --> 01:03:09,290
you can predict an outcome for example

1525
01:03:12,849 --> 01:03:11,300
in the commodities market or a stock

1526
01:03:14,349 --> 01:03:12,859
market where you if I die kata miss out

1527
01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:14,359
come up or down or something like that

1528
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:17,150
and it's really true in controlled

1529
01:03:21,099 --> 01:03:19,130
studies where people have done this it's

1530
01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:21,109
surprisingly accurate 70 percent

1531
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:23,750
sometimes 80 percent and apparently I

1532
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:25,310
mean I guess Russell participated in

1533
01:03:28,570 --> 01:03:26,690
experiences where they made a lot of

1534
01:03:32,109 --> 01:03:28,580
money back at with the SR I spook group

1535
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:32,119
so it's one way of using RV it's not my

1536
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:33,560
favorite technique because it's so

1537
01:03:43,690 --> 01:03:35,180
limited in the possible outcome but it's

1538
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:43,700
certainly fun to play with comparative

1539
01:03:56,170 --> 01:03:49,930
value of remote viewing studies and

1540
01:03:59,650 --> 01:03:56,180
studies of consciousness in its

1541
01:04:06,170 --> 01:03:59,660
relationship with the brain Paul made an

1542
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:06,180
interesting suggestion this morning that

1543
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:13,830
a the the great thing about ESP is is

1544
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,570
that it identifies a conscious

1545
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:21,180
experience that is somehow separable

1546
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:23,690
from the body it leaves the physical

1547
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:27,450
causal chain and returns to it perhaps

1548
01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:30,780
and so we learned something about the

1549
01:04:36,350 --> 01:04:33,300
separate bility of consciousness which

1550
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:36,360
of course makes many of us delighted but

1551
01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:40,530
we also know that consciousness must

1552
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:46,470
have a biological function or it

1553
01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:48,510
probably wouldn't have been sustained in

1554
01:04:54,620 --> 01:04:52,140
evolution and it better be influencing

1555
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:54,630
our brain in some way and it better be

1556
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,160
informed by a brain if it's going to be

1557
01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:01,920
intelligent in any way so there's a

1558
01:05:08,830 --> 01:05:04,470
mutual relationship whether we conceive

1559
01:05:12,130 --> 01:05:08,840
it dualistic alee or with some other

1560
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:12,140
more carefully formulated ontology

1561
01:05:16,550 --> 01:05:14,010
there's a relationship between

1562
01:05:20,090 --> 01:05:16,560
consciousness and brain so my question

1563
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:20,100
is can we learn more about consciousness

1564
01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:25,020
in the special case of size phenomena or

1565
01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:27,150
can we learn more about it through

1566
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:30,800
studying its relationship with the brain

1567
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:40,380
the group that focuses on that aspect

1568
01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:43,240
the most is Stuart Hameroff group out it

1569
01:05:47,609 --> 01:05:44,980
center for consciousness studies at the

1570
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:47,619
University of Arizona and they have a

1571
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:48,250
meeting

1572
01:05:55,049 --> 01:05:51,220
yearly that's bigger than ours about 400

1573
01:05:57,450 --> 01:05:55,059
people show up and they're mostly

1574
01:06:01,170 --> 01:05:57,460
physiologically based although they have

1575
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:01,180
a small paranormal component within them

1576
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:04,480
and they are looking for physiological

1577
01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:06,930
explanations for consciousness

1578
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:08,920
explicitly that go into the quantum

1579
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:13,599
realm but you know and perhaps the

1580
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:16,690
quantum realm which so many of you are

1581
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:23,050
guessing mediates remote viewing also

1582
01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:25,150
mediates the relationship between

1583
01:06:32,849 --> 01:06:28,300
consciousness and the brain however in

1584
01:06:36,829 --> 01:06:32,859
in the case of us that relationship is

1585
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:36,839
extremely dense and intimate and and

1586
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:39,609
detailed and we have so much to study

1587
01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:42,430
there through so many different

1588
01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:44,339
disciplinary approaches the

1589
01:06:51,630 --> 01:06:47,380
neurosciences and quantum mechanics and

1590
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:51,640
subtle energies and and and so forth

1591
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,950
cognitive psychology let me interrupt it

1592
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:56,319
does anybody else want to respond here

1593
01:07:00,900 --> 01:06:58,930
this let's move on I just want to make

1594
01:07:06,750 --> 01:07:00,910
sure that we keep the questions and

1595
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:06,760
answers contained I've actually

1596
01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:09,250
accumulated enough questions to fill an

1597
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,380
hour or so but the one minute rule I'll

1598
01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:13,839
satisfy myself by upsetting a few Apple

1599
01:07:18,859 --> 01:07:16,180
carts I get the impression that

1600
01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:18,869
everybody on the panel likes prefers

1601
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:21,940
philosophically the indeterminate future

1602
01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:24,220
that is is not fixed and contains a

1603
01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:25,980
range of possibilities

1604
01:07:32,339 --> 01:07:28,630
unfortunately one of the reasons that

1605
01:07:34,349 --> 01:07:32,349
many physicists since Einstein have

1606
01:07:38,059 --> 01:07:34,359
favored the idea of a deterministic

1607
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:38,069
fixed block universe is that if you take

1608
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:41,890
relativity seriously there is no way to

1609
01:07:46,530 --> 01:07:43,990
draw a distinction between past and

1610
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:46,540
future that works for all observers if

1611
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:48,049
you say that

1612
01:07:51,370 --> 01:07:49,910
okay the past has happened it's fixed

1613
01:07:53,799 --> 01:07:51,380
the future has not happened it's

1614
01:07:56,709 --> 01:07:53,809
indeterminate and this is true for all

1615
01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:56,719
observers you then discover that oops

1616
01:08:01,479 --> 01:07:58,099
the whole universe just became

1617
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:01,489
indeterminate so at least according to

1618
01:08:05,319 --> 01:08:03,170
one of our major and well trusted

1619
01:08:08,019 --> 01:08:05,329
theories of physics if the future is

1620
01:08:11,499 --> 01:08:08,029
malleable so is the past and this gets

1621
01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:11,509
us back into Garrett's issue of winning

1622
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:12,920
yesterday's lottery when you're holding

1623
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:16,069
the wrong ticket so I I would be

1624
01:08:20,140 --> 01:08:17,690
interested to hear any comments I

1625
01:08:22,569 --> 01:08:20,150
actually have a question for you York if

1626
01:08:25,059 --> 01:08:22,579
that is case which I don't argue the

1627
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:25,069
theory here why you most physicists not

1628
01:08:31,809 --> 01:08:29,449
believe that I would actually argue that

1629
01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:31,819
at least consulting the literature most

1630
01:08:39,059 --> 01:08:36,109
physicists excuse me most physicists who

1631
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:39,069
bother to think about this seriously

1632
01:08:45,609 --> 01:08:42,049
like our dear friend Brian Greene from

1633
01:08:47,530 --> 01:08:45,619
IC do in fact prefer and believe in the

1634
01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:47,540
block universe well the reason I bring

1635
01:08:51,819 --> 01:08:49,699
this up is because any time I talk about

1636
01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:51,829
retrocausality with with a physicist

1637
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:53,960
they get a great deal of pain in their

1638
01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:55,849
eyes and they absolutely reject the idea

1639
01:09:00,039 --> 01:08:58,069
that could happen so if they're buying

1640
01:09:01,599 --> 01:09:00,049
this this aspect of the theory of

1641
01:09:03,539 --> 01:09:01,609
relativity you would think that would be

1642
01:09:08,349 --> 01:09:03,549
perfectly happy with it and they're not

1643
01:09:11,709 --> 01:09:08,359
so what's the deal York if I could chime

1644
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:11,719
in the issue is physics is not at all

1645
01:09:17,049 --> 01:09:15,020
clear because you have a whole group of

1646
01:09:21,729 --> 01:09:17,059
physicists who deal on the level of

1647
01:09:24,129 --> 01:09:21,739
quantum mechanics who don't exist really

1648
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:24,139
have trouble with the idea that there

1649
01:09:28,539 --> 01:09:26,329
should be a line between what happens on

1650
01:09:30,970 --> 01:09:28,549
the probabilistic quantum realm and the

1651
01:09:35,019 --> 01:09:30,980
classical realm that Einstein and Newton

1652
01:09:37,059 --> 01:09:35,029
worked in and Roger Penrose has remarked

1653
01:09:38,559 --> 01:09:37,069
actually he remarked this at a previous

1654
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:38,569
Lucerne meeting before Dean and I went

1655
01:09:42,519 --> 01:09:41,270
that this dichotomy this line in the

1656
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:42,529
sand between the quantum and the

1657
01:09:46,780 --> 01:09:44,329
physical realm in the classical realm is

1658
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:46,790
really absurd and that we really do not

1659
01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:48,319
understand the connection you cannot say

1660
01:09:52,629 --> 01:09:49,790
that everything that is classical is

1661
01:09:55,390 --> 01:09:52,639
made up of the quantum but they don't

1662
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:55,400
obey the same rules we really don't

1663
01:09:59,370 --> 01:09:57,110
understand these types of questions

1664
01:10:01,290 --> 01:09:59,380
so when you actually bring back

1665
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:01,300
you're talking about someone who used to

1666
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:02,830
ridicule his quantum mechanics

1667
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:04,570
colleagues and say do you really think

1668
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:06,370
the moon wouldn't exist if I didn't look

1669
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:08,650
at it because those types of phenomena

1670
01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:12,900
occur on the quantum level ridiculing

1671
01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:16,360
dispensing that's a way we really don't

1672
01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:17,560
understand the nature of physical

1673
01:10:23,070 --> 01:10:20,020
reality and the one thing I'd add to

1674
01:10:25,470 --> 01:10:23,080
that is an example you have a few

1675
01:10:27,689 --> 01:10:25,480
physicists out there who are particle

1676
01:10:29,610 --> 01:10:27,699
lists who are looking for particles

1677
01:10:31,919 --> 01:10:29,620
still but most physicists have given up

1678
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:31,929
that ghost the idea of having solid

1679
01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:34,630
billiard ball type things when you take

1680
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:36,550
a neutron I guess to split it up and you

1681
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:38,110
break up those parts in those parts

1682
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:39,520
eventually you get down to points

1683
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:43,810
massless things and there is no mass no

1684
01:10:46,649 --> 01:10:45,310
one's ever found a particle you would do

1685
01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:46,659
have things that you shoot at cancer

1686
01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:49,480
cells but and they seem to go through

1687
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:51,340
them and break them up but fields resist

1688
01:10:54,209 --> 01:10:52,330
displacement as well

1689
01:10:56,729 --> 01:10:54,219
Noah's actually ever found something

1690
01:10:58,919 --> 01:10:56,739
that was really solid on the classical

1691
01:11:00,020 --> 01:10:58,929
level we have this we have that it looks

1692
01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:00,030
solid

1693
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:03,100
Einstein may have been deceived by his

1694
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:07,750
senses let me stop there let me respond

1695
01:11:13,709 --> 01:11:11,409
to it just quickly as well and that is

1696
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:13,719
most physicists will believe that

1697
01:11:20,729 --> 01:11:16,510
consciousness is an epiphenomena of the

1698
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:20,739
brain and it appears to us that

1699
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:23,380
consciousness is something a little

1700
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:25,210
different from an epiphenomenon of the

1701
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:28,570
brain and if so I think all of the other

1702
01:11:35,879 --> 01:11:33,610
bets are off as well and this clean

1703
01:11:38,459 --> 01:11:35,889
distinction between past present and

1704
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:38,469
future and the block universe then

1705
01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:40,210
appears to be penetrated by

1706
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:43,000
consciousness and at that point we

1707
01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:44,500
really need to rethink things from the

1708
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:48,190
ground up I would say that my answer to

1709
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:50,409
that question is that when physicists

1710
01:11:55,709 --> 01:11:53,350
behave like humans they will probably

1711
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,719
say that they have free will but when

1712
01:11:59,010 --> 01:11:57,520
they behave like physicists then the

1713
01:12:01,320 --> 01:11:59,020
block universe is such a convenient way

1714
01:12:02,669 --> 01:12:01,330
of manipulating the physics and

1715
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:02,679
understanding of physics that they begin

1716
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:04,510
they believe in that but if they really

1717
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:07,449
believed only in a block universe and I

1718
01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:09,010
think they would it would be extremely

1719
01:12:11,530 --> 01:12:11,080
different from the vast majority of the

1720
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,540
rest of the

1721
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,760
world at least behaves as though they

1722
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:16,400
have free will in fact free will is is

1723
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:18,710
locked into our legal system and it's

1724
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:21,110
the the basis of most of our morals and

1725
01:12:26,110 --> 01:12:22,880
ethics that we have some sense of what

1726
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:26,120
we do and if we don't behave as though

1727
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:27,650
that we're true even if the block were

1728
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:29,780
universe were true we still have to

1729
01:12:33,370 --> 01:12:31,430
behave as though we have free will so

1730
01:12:36,370 --> 01:12:33,380
that doesn't address directly address

1731
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:36,380
the question of the reality of which one

1732
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:37,820
is true but we have to behave as though

1733
01:12:44,620 --> 01:12:43,130
we have free will at least I do but of

1734
01:12:49,780 --> 01:12:44,630
course in a block universe I had to say

1735
01:12:54,010 --> 01:12:49,790
that I want to get down to very simple

1736
01:12:55,690 --> 01:12:54,020
questions I'm address it to Kourtney as

1737
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:55,700
I understand it and I probably didn't

1738
01:13:01,620 --> 01:12:57,050
get it right

1739
01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:01,630
you're a bill I mean your belief in your

1740
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:04,840
people that are predicting this future

1741
01:13:16,930 --> 01:13:13,720
describing static events you know you

1742
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:16,940
have different sites but do you have

1743
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:20,900
data to support that if the site changes

1744
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:23,420
you know if you predicted this North

1745
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:26,600
Korean cooling tower that got blow up I

1746
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:29,150
guess today you know do you have data

1747
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:32,510
it's a support that they are good at

1748
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:34,910
predicting the future not just good at

1749
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:39,680
predicting the the site at that you

1750
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:43,790
described okay in the beginning when we

1751
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:46,520
started looking at removing in the early

1752
01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:49,850
and mid 90s neither I nor anyone else

1753
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:51,800
understood the remote viewing phenomenon

1754
01:13:55,390 --> 01:13:52,670
so we played with it

1755
01:13:57,130 --> 01:13:55,400
and tried to do things like that it was

1756
01:14:01,480 --> 01:13:57,140
really difficult lots of problems

1757
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:01,490
occurred for about 10 years we focused

1758
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:04,070
on trying to get one experiment to work

1759
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:07,310
and that is where we very clearly

1760
01:14:13,420 --> 01:14:10,640
identify targets have them determined in

1761
01:14:15,790 --> 01:14:13,430
the future work out of a rather

1762
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:15,800
sophisticated encryption and public

1763
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:19,370
dissemination process so that we can

1764
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,110
accurately get those targets and that's

1765
01:14:24,509 --> 01:14:23,600
the one experiment that we got we know

1766
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:24,519
how to do

1767
01:14:28,979 --> 01:14:27,670
and but you're asking me now about major

1768
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:28,989
other future events

1769
01:14:36,779 --> 01:14:33,400
if the target changes yeah I that

1770
01:14:38,489 --> 01:14:36,789
question is actually part of the the the

1771
01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:38,499
big project that we've just completed

1772
01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:40,119
the data collection for and uploaded and

1773
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:41,380
you can start looking at the data and

1774
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:43,590
answering that question yourself is

1775
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:45,730
there's three parts to the big

1776
01:14:50,970 --> 01:14:48,489
experiment one part was dealing with

1777
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:50,980
targets that were chosen in advance but

1778
01:14:59,040 --> 01:14:54,369
I mean after the sessions were done but

1779
01:15:02,009 --> 01:14:59,050
the target time was June 1st 2008 ok so

1780
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:02,019
that was a bit of precognitive because

1781
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:03,760
we remoted things that were had not been

1782
01:15:09,299 --> 01:15:07,210
chosen yet then we have something that

1783
01:15:12,629 --> 01:15:09,309
was in 2013 and we were going to wait

1784
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:12,639
five years to answer the rest of that

1785
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,530
and so we were actually trying to get at

1786
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:16,480
your question but it was gonna take us

1787
01:15:22,049 --> 01:15:18,730
five more years in the process of doing

1788
01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:22,059
this we wanted a shorter term wait like

1789
01:15:25,799 --> 01:15:24,219
six months out on a target that we

1790
01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:25,809
thought would be a relatively easy one

1791
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:28,300
so we could compare and just by luck we

1792
01:15:34,739 --> 01:15:31,030
happen or bad luck we Joe we did LA and

1793
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:34,749
we got those results back so it's an

1794
01:15:40,140 --> 01:15:36,369
interesting thing we now have three

1795
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:40,150
separate experiments and right now we

1796
01:15:47,819 --> 01:15:43,030
can answer with regard to the 2008 June

1797
01:15:50,009 --> 01:15:47,829
1st stuff at the by December 1st we'll

1798
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,019
know a little bit more about whether we

1799
01:15:53,879 --> 01:15:52,239
were very better we whether we well know

1800
01:15:57,239 --> 01:15:53,889
we'll know if we gained any extra

1801
01:15:59,729 --> 01:15:57,249
insight into predicting or describing

1802
01:16:02,100 --> 01:15:59,739
things six months where there was change

1803
01:16:04,649 --> 01:16:02,110
least in the remote viewing data and

1804
01:16:09,020 --> 01:16:04,659
then if we wait another five years we

1805
01:16:11,339 --> 01:16:09,030
will find out if our discussions are our

1806
01:16:13,739 --> 01:16:11,349
perceptions four five years out into the

1807
01:16:16,379 --> 01:16:13,749
future were accurate again science takes

1808
01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:16,389
time at least resourceless Sciences

1809
01:16:20,609 --> 01:16:18,460
science now where we're basically doing

1810
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:20,619
this out of our kitchen budget that

1811
01:16:31,709 --> 01:16:29,160
yeah I had two beers so he said some

1812
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:31,719
perfect time to place my bet to

1813
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:35,650
culturally which is our ass will be

1814
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:39,520
there investing will and operational by

1815
01:16:46,919 --> 01:16:42,880
the end of the year I dare to say that

1816
01:16:50,430 --> 01:16:46,929
because my experience if you read my

1817
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:50,440
account from the experience from Chinese

1818
01:16:56,939 --> 01:16:53,920
psychic research the military the

1819
01:17:02,370 --> 01:16:56,949
National Defense Carol gathered the top

1820
01:17:05,879 --> 01:17:02,380
psychics to the 5:07 institution that

1821
01:17:08,899 --> 01:17:05,889
institution existed for me to functional

1822
01:17:12,959 --> 01:17:08,909
number one is to Train Chinese astronaut

1823
01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:12,969
number two is the military leader to

1824
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:15,900
force them to gather the psychics to

1825
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:19,449
study the sigh they are not interested

1826
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:22,199
in healing they are not interested in

1827
01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:26,010
physics they want to know the future

1828
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:29,260
their revolt viewing was highly

1829
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:32,290
successful for the past and current the

1830
01:17:40,290 --> 01:17:35,770
event but they are prediction for the

1831
01:17:41,839 --> 01:17:40,300
future even come to kneel zero than

1832
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:41,849
successful

1833
01:17:48,959 --> 01:17:47,290
why okay they're doing the future is

1834
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:48,969
really complicated that's why I told you

1835
01:17:53,549 --> 01:17:51,489
we spent over a decade figuring out to

1836
01:17:55,260 --> 01:17:53,559
do how to do one type of experiment

1837
01:17:56,729 --> 01:17:55,270
correctly with regard to some of the

1838
01:17:58,620 --> 01:17:56,739
experiments that were raised for example

1839
01:18:00,839 --> 01:17:58,630
the one that Paul raised about newspaper

1840
01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:00,849
articles in the future if you look at a

1841
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:02,440
newspaper article if you look at in

1842
01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:04,449
front of an of a newspaper there are a

1843
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:07,630
lot of articles on that and so what you

1844
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,610
get is a very high probability of a

1845
01:18:14,549 --> 01:18:11,760
displaced target meaning you have the

1846
01:18:17,339 --> 01:18:14,559
the person who's actually picking which

1847
01:18:18,959 --> 01:18:17,349
article to look at that very time that

1848
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:18,969
they're doing that they're actually

1849
01:18:23,069 --> 01:18:21,610
shifting their mental focus on a whole

1850
01:18:24,930 --> 01:18:23,079
bunch of different things so your

1851
01:18:27,390 --> 01:18:24,940
predictions going your remote viewing

1852
01:18:28,890 --> 01:18:27,400
session is going to I cover this deeply

1853
01:18:30,419 --> 01:18:28,900
in my book remote viewing the science

1854
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:30,429
and theory of non physical perception

1855
01:18:36,209 --> 01:18:33,610
that tasker by trying to pick out which

1856
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,219
article on the page to do is screwing up

1857
01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:38,560
the tasking there's got to be only

1858
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:42,160
one unambiguous target with no competing

1859
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:44,860
decoys in order for this thing to work

1860
01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:47,350
and if you have a multitude of targets

1861
01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:51,550
even to five is worse ten is my tours

1862
01:18:55,620 --> 01:18:54,040
and you have the Tasker actually looking

1863
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:55,630
at them and trying to figure out which

1864
01:18:59,250 --> 01:18:57,730
one I'm gonna do it screws up the

1865
01:19:01,380 --> 01:18:59,260
results terribly there's got to be one

1866
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:01,390
and only one unambiguous target for this

1867
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:02,890
type of experiment to work with high

1868
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:06,850
reliability I agree with you in

1869
01:19:09,330 --> 01:19:08,290
principle but I have to say that that's

1870
01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:09,340
not how those experiments were done

1871
01:19:12,930 --> 01:19:10,540
actually I just gave you a brief

1872
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:12,940
synopsis it was specified very clearly

1873
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:14,890
what the target was on those on those

1874
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:18,400
pages let me let me comment on that just

1875
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:18,880
a minute

1876
01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:21,250
I don't know what I'm totally familiar

1877
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:22,630
with the experiment that Paul is talking

1878
01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:24,850
about and there were some procedural

1879
01:19:29,310 --> 01:19:27,640
flaws with that and I just really don't

1880
01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:29,320
like to talk about it because there's a

1881
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:31,300
lot of problems but the protocol and

1882
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:33,730
there was the question that some people

1883
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:35,020
didn't really like to work on that kind

1884
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:36,970
of target that's sort of saying some

1885
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:37,900
people didn't even believe that

1886
01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:40,330
precognition was possible so it's really

1887
01:19:45,780 --> 01:19:42,780
not a good example to use Paul now

1888
01:19:47,850 --> 01:19:45,790
getting back to Courtney's remark I'm

1889
01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:47,860
year and a half ago I started a series

1890
01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:50,230
of experiments myself in looking at the

1891
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:53,200
future news only I was restricting it to

1892
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:55,450
a specific page a specific three days

1893
01:20:00,690 --> 01:19:57,850
ahead of time and whatever the most

1894
01:20:03,780 --> 01:20:00,700
significant picture was on the page not

1895
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:03,790
the words but but the pictorial material

1896
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:07,210
and I think this is why RV associate

1897
01:20:11,670 --> 01:20:09,760
remote viewing works because it it links

1898
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,680
between a number and word and the

1899
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:13,600
pictorial thing but that's another story

1900
01:20:18,450 --> 01:20:16,510
so the results that I gun over about a

1901
01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:18,460
year and a half to two years with this

1902
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:22,300
highly focused intention of only the

1903
01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:24,730
most significant pertinent picture that

1904
01:20:28,050 --> 01:20:26,950
could be easily verified even though

1905
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:28,060
there might be two or three more

1906
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:30,010
pictures on the same page worked out

1907
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:31,530
quite well and I gave a presentation

1908
01:20:36,060 --> 01:20:34,330
here to the SSE on two different

1909
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,070
occasions over the past two years on

1910
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:38,800
this result and as a paper mine in the

1911
01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:43,150
SSE Journal of the past two issues that

1912
01:20:48,930 --> 01:20:46,180
summarized seven of those experiments so

1913
01:20:51,629 --> 01:20:48,940
I disagree with Courtney I do say that

1914
01:20:54,179 --> 01:20:51,639
it is difficult but that was the pop

1915
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,189
intentionality and the focus you can get

1916
01:20:57,959 --> 01:20:56,320
around all that noise we live in the

1917
01:20:59,939 --> 01:20:57,969
world of Norwich so you have to learn to

1918
01:21:01,979 --> 01:20:59,949
deal with it play through and only get

1919
01:21:03,870 --> 01:21:01,989
right to the essence of what you want so

1920
01:21:07,589 --> 01:21:03,880
I think in the Chinese case there were

1921
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:07,599
probably a lack of specific focus on

1922
01:21:13,229 --> 01:21:10,719
what was really wanted the earth

1923
01:21:15,959 --> 01:21:13,239
predation was just as yours very

1924
01:21:18,959 --> 01:21:15,969
consistent across the pool and it's very

1925
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:18,969
specific I want to go to my point I dare

1926
01:21:25,020 --> 01:21:23,169
to place my bet on our heirs not because

1927
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:25,030
if six months ahead

1928
01:21:30,979 --> 01:21:28,510
it doesn't make different branching time

1929
01:21:34,049 --> 01:21:30,989
constant three-second dies from things

1930
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:34,059
doesn't matter the matter is if that

1931
01:21:40,979 --> 01:21:37,570
becomes true because you posted this in

1932
01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:40,989
your website the world order will be

1933
01:21:49,139 --> 01:21:45,329
broken from my maybe 30 years

1934
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:49,149
observation I found that that is not to

1935
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:50,729
be happening

1936
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:54,130
you might Howard the world order be

1937
01:22:02,219 --> 01:21:57,489
broken because you established some kind

1938
01:22:03,689 --> 01:22:02,229
of hard evidence this way oh because you

1939
01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:03,699
mean because the demonstration would

1940
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,320
have given some hard evidence that this

1941
01:22:10,799 --> 01:22:07,840
process is possible exactly you might

1942
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:10,809
have some experiment you you kept it for

1943
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:12,010
yourself and okay

1944
01:22:16,139 --> 01:22:14,289
between yourself and subject that could

1945
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:16,149
become cheap yeah that's an interesting

1946
01:22:20,009 --> 01:22:17,130
question

1947
01:22:21,509 --> 01:22:20,019
you have to agree you know the gentleman

1948
01:22:24,989 --> 01:22:21,519
right here who asked in the beginning of

1949
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,999
the session he said what are the ethics

1950
01:22:29,879 --> 01:22:26,880
of doing remote viewing we have a lot of

1951
01:22:32,339 --> 01:22:29,889
things like insider trading you talked

1952
01:22:36,689 --> 01:22:32,349
about things looking in we live in a

1953
01:22:39,899 --> 01:22:36,699
society that is built on secrecy Federal

1954
01:22:41,879 --> 01:22:39,909
Reserve Board meets in secret it keeps

1955
01:22:43,859 --> 01:22:41,889
everything secret congressional hearings

1956
01:22:45,449 --> 01:22:43,869
you have to fight to get them open the

1957
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:45,459
Supreme Court doesn't want cameras

1958
01:22:49,799 --> 01:22:47,110
inside and only recently I've been it's

1959
01:22:51,419 --> 01:22:49,809
opening up a deep and just slightly we

1960
01:22:54,839 --> 01:22:51,429
live in a society where everything goes

1961
01:22:56,939 --> 01:22:54,849
behind closed doors secrecy is that our

1962
01:22:58,919 --> 01:22:56,949
way of dealing with things and Paul will

1963
01:23:02,069 --> 01:22:58,929
tell you it I mean the intelligence CIA

1964
01:23:04,949 --> 01:23:02,079
they work on that did you ever ask if

1965
01:23:07,429 --> 01:23:04,959
that's a good way to live you know just

1966
01:23:11,609 --> 01:23:07,439
imagine this in a realm in which

1967
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,619
consciousness actually opens doors like

1968
01:23:15,659 --> 01:23:13,360
you're talking about you're talking

1969
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:15,669
about the possibility of leaving of

1970
01:23:21,689 --> 01:23:18,249
living without such high degrees of

1971
01:23:23,339 --> 01:23:21,699
secrecy that might actually be a better

1972
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:23,349
way of doing things you have to

1973
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:25,510
understand that we live in a society now

1974
01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:28,719
where the elite I'm now switching as a

1975
01:23:34,799 --> 01:23:31,260
social scientist where the elite

1976
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:34,809
consider the masses people that need to

1977
01:23:40,529 --> 01:23:38,169
be controlled and marketed manipulated

1978
01:23:42,929 --> 01:23:40,539
herded they don't want to disrupt the

1979
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:42,939
markets and that's more important than

1980
01:23:49,609 --> 01:23:46,649
the revelation of information that might

1981
01:23:52,729 --> 01:23:49,619
bring out you know a new way of living

1982
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,739
controlling oil supplies controlling

1983
01:23:57,509 --> 01:23:55,199
cash cows for a certain type of energy

1984
01:23:59,100 --> 01:23:57,519
you want to make sure all the oil is

1985
01:24:00,839 --> 01:23:59,110
used up before you go into alternative

1986
01:24:03,659 --> 01:24:00,849
energy we have them in a society that

1987
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:03,669
likes to control have to ask is that a

1988
01:24:10,049 --> 01:24:05,590
good thing Courtney Courtney are you

1989
01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:10,059
married I am right here are you married

1990
01:24:12,989 --> 01:24:11,800
yeah then how can you possibly believe

1991
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:12,999
that we should live in a world without

1992
01:24:26,699 --> 01:24:23,199
secrecy I suggested you get a subject

1993
01:24:28,889 --> 01:24:26,709
back in August Oh Seth September to see

1994
01:24:33,810 --> 01:24:28,899
what did they will the author their

1995
01:24:36,659 --> 01:24:33,820
words okay I have a question about

1996
01:24:38,279 --> 01:24:36,669
remote viewers themselves and what

1997
01:24:40,109 --> 01:24:38,289
traits you think they have they have

1998
01:24:44,339 --> 01:24:40,119
that makes them remote viewers and if

1999
01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:44,349
that's precognition is one of those Dean

2000
01:24:52,919 --> 01:24:50,380
would you address this I'm curious about

2001
01:24:56,909 --> 01:24:52,929
the traits of remote viewers and if

2002
01:24:59,339 --> 01:24:56,919
precognition is one of them my

2003
01:25:01,739 --> 01:24:59,349
experience to see early SSRI research

2004
01:25:04,049 --> 01:25:01,749
was that it really did not could not

2005
01:25:06,419 --> 01:25:04,059
identify any specific trait and there

2006
01:25:09,179 --> 01:25:06,429
were a number of psychological profile

2007
01:25:11,399 --> 01:25:09,189
tests given to the early research people

2008
01:25:12,750 --> 01:25:11,409
that were involved in remote viewing and

2009
01:25:14,010 --> 01:25:12,760
was finally concluded that there really

2010
01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:14,020
was no

2011
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:16,180
a good way of identifying a specific

2012
01:25:21,450 --> 01:25:19,090
trait for people that might do well in

2013
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:21,460
the remote viewing protocol then used

2014
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:24,090
now there were some other

2015
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:26,230
characteristics that could be correlated

2016
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:29,410
the the people this came from a what you

2017
01:25:33,620 --> 01:25:31,210
might call a select population group

2018
01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:33,630
these people that did well early on

2019
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:36,070
except for a few outstanding cases who

2020
01:25:42,740 --> 01:25:38,620
came in mainly from off the street like

2021
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:42,750
Pat price but initially this is from a

2022
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:45,280
very professional group they were

2023
01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:47,230
curious they were open-minded never

2024
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:49,300
willing to try new experiences that I

2025
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:51,130
seem to be really the only main

2026
01:25:57,420 --> 01:25:54,930
criterion then that made any sense now

2027
01:25:59,850 --> 01:25:57,430
later on you know there were other

2028
01:26:02,220 --> 01:25:59,860
aspects that one looked at we looked at

2029
01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:02,230
the myers-briggs type inventory and

2030
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:04,750
there were some correlations one could

2031
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:07,270
find another laboratory didn't more than

2032
01:26:13,950 --> 01:26:10,170
we did it as our eye on the intuitive

2033
01:26:16,590 --> 01:26:13,960
sensing scale was a good one so and then

2034
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:16,600
another scale was previous experience

2035
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:18,250
but that was more or less in the

2036
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:22,590
laboratory selling at the pair at the

2037
01:26:28,260 --> 01:26:24,930
Sakya like parapsychological research

2038
01:26:31,170 --> 01:26:28,270
association but from as far as we more

2039
01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:31,180
viewers on the project itself I don't

2040
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:34,300
really believe we ever did any thorough

2041
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:37,330
psychological or profiling it was a

2042
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:40,690
matter of interest were they willing to

2043
01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:43,330
try something new and then go and try it

2044
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:46,720
and see how they did Dean Dean the

2045
01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:49,330
reason I asked you was you've done some

2046
01:26:56,850 --> 01:26:53,940
surveys of people having SCI ability and

2047
01:26:59,490 --> 01:26:56,860
correlations with that he hasn't

2048
01:27:06,090 --> 01:26:59,500
published the paper yet no I did publish

2049
01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:06,100
it there is a description of the

2050
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:08,710
exceptionally sensitive person it shows

2051
01:27:13,230 --> 01:27:10,810
a number of internally coherent

2052
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:13,240
correlations things like people with

2053
01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:17,880
allergies and electrical sensitivities

2054
01:27:23,370 --> 01:27:21,100
females are more than males report this

2055
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:23,380
females of a certain age of a certain

2056
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:26,170
race and so on so there is a kind of a

2057
01:27:30,660 --> 01:27:28,690
a snapshot of someone who will be both

2058
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:30,670
exceptionally sensitive physically and

2059
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:32,530
mentally and also reports a lot of

2060
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:35,440
spontaneous psychic ability but so is

2061
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:37,630
that it's not exactly a trait that's

2062
01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:39,760
more like you you can sift through large

2063
01:27:44,459 --> 01:27:41,860
amounts of people and find people who

2064
01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:44,469
simply report this more and it turns out

2065
01:27:48,419 --> 01:27:46,300
that they fall into a certain cluster

2066
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:48,429
and also actually I would ask Dale a

2067
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:51,940
question that I remember that Dave

2068
01:27:58,110 --> 01:27:55,120
Saunders did studies where he found in

2069
01:28:00,030 --> 01:27:58,120
his 96 cells of personality types there

2070
01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:00,040
was really most remote viewers good

2071
01:28:04,650 --> 01:28:01,750
remote viewers would fall into one cell

2072
01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:04,660
one or two cells of the 96 do you recall

2073
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:08,140
that yes I do but I don't remember the

2074
01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:10,690
exact cell but it tended to correlate

2075
01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:14,260
was the intuitive sensing side my person

2076
01:28:19,890 --> 01:28:17,350
my memory translating that to an MBTI

2077
01:28:22,590 --> 01:28:19,900
scale yeah it was a little difficult to

2078
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:22,600
get a handle on the cylinders scale yeah

2079
01:28:27,630 --> 01:28:25,570
back when that report was released in 84

2080
01:28:29,970 --> 01:28:27,640
the commander of the unit asked me to do

2081
01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:29,980
an evaluation of it and I was had some

2082
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:31,150
issues with it back then and I've

2083
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:32,650
recently found the report again in the

2084
01:28:36,090 --> 01:28:34,510
Stargate archives and I still finally

2085
01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:36,100
have issues with it I'm not sure it was

2086
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:39,790
that rigorous a study or if it was

2087
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:42,489
rigorous it's it's pool was a bit biased

2088
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:44,650
in favor of certain certain individuals

2089
01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:46,690
let me just address the question real

2090
01:28:53,220 --> 01:28:50,590
quick one of the indicators in the ASR I

2091
01:28:55,620 --> 01:28:53,230
work was that it seems that anyone could

2092
01:28:58,110 --> 01:28:55,630
Remote View within certain you know

2093
01:28:59,880 --> 01:28:58,120
certain limits and in that anyone but

2094
01:29:03,780 --> 01:28:59,890
virtually any we could Remote View at

2095
01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:03,790
least to a certain extent and nothing

2096
01:29:07,770 --> 01:29:05,230
that I've seen and all the training I've

2097
01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:07,780
done since then has served refute that

2098
01:29:12,419 --> 01:29:10,300
it seems that what's most important is

2099
01:29:14,910 --> 01:29:12,429
an open mind and willingness to let go

2100
01:29:18,959 --> 01:29:14,920
of preconceptions and and all

2101
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,969
personalities all personality types are

2102
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:21,040
subject to holding onto preconceptions

2103
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:23,170
if they aren't open-minded enough and so

2104
01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:26,170
it doesn't seem to be too biased and in

2105
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:27,640
respect to that the other thing to say

2106
01:29:32,729 --> 01:29:29,650
is pre cognition actually isn't a trait

2107
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:32,739
it's just a mode of applying remote

2108
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:35,050
viewing or other psychic skill or

2109
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:37,090
whatever you will and so that's not

2110
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:37,880
something that

2111
01:29:42,129 --> 01:29:39,110
something just comes with being a

2112
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:42,139
reasonably good viewer it doesn't really

2113
01:29:44,890 --> 01:29:43,130
have anything to do with whether or not

2114
01:29:47,410 --> 01:29:44,900
you're a good view er as far as they

2115
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:47,420
trade is concern maybe I'm not answer

2116
01:29:50,530 --> 01:29:47,600
that

2117
01:29:53,620 --> 01:29:50,540
whose trait loosely okay sorry but just

2118
01:29:56,770 --> 01:29:53,630
one quick comment on the precognition

2119
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:56,780
style are just in person I really do

2120
01:30:01,570 --> 01:29:59,360
think there is a correlation to people

2121
01:30:04,419 --> 01:30:01,580
that tend to think more futuristic or

2122
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:04,429
step ahead of themselves are not not

2123
01:30:07,870 --> 01:30:06,170
happy with living in the current

2124
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:07,880
environment so there are traits having

2125
01:30:13,180 --> 01:30:11,449
to do with the future - age of the

2126
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:13,190
individual again I don't know if that's

2127
01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:15,679
a trait or just a certain mindset of the

2128
01:30:20,530 --> 01:30:18,590
person develops you know I just want to

2129
01:30:22,419 --> 01:30:20,540
add something the other side of that RV

2130
01:30:24,459 --> 01:30:22,429
is not for special people we can all do

2131
01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:24,469
this believe me I've trained thousands

2132
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:26,510
of people I'm not especially good our

2133
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,250
veer but what it does train you to do is

2134
01:30:32,500 --> 01:30:30,560
to pay attention to yourself and pay

2135
01:30:34,270 --> 01:30:32,510
attention to a wider range of

2136
01:30:36,490 --> 01:30:34,280
information that normally your conscious

2137
01:30:38,169 --> 01:30:36,500
mind with delete is unnecessary I had a

2138
01:30:39,370 --> 01:30:38,179
woman in one of my classes recently keep

2139
01:30:40,540 --> 01:30:39,380
asking me the whole time why are we

2140
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:40,550
doing this why are we here and I said

2141
01:30:43,810 --> 01:30:42,050
well just go through the course we'll

2142
01:30:45,820 --> 01:30:43,820
talk about that at the end as she was

2143
01:30:47,860 --> 01:30:45,830
driving away from the class she was

2144
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:47,870
behind a truck and she got this bad

2145
01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:49,370
feeling and a little voice went off in

2146
01:30:52,660 --> 01:30:51,080
her head said Simeon said don't edit out

2147
01:30:54,820 --> 01:30:52,670
your thoughts just write it all down and

2148
01:30:56,350 --> 01:30:54,830
pay attention she moved out of the lane

2149
01:30:57,700 --> 01:30:56,360
the truck and all the bikes fell off the

2150
01:30:59,770 --> 01:30:57,710
truck which would have damaged her car

2151
01:31:01,209 --> 01:30:59,780
in a serious way and that's really I

2152
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:01,219
think a very important reason why didn't

2153
01:31:04,689 --> 01:31:02,960
do this it's not just to be psychic it's

2154
01:31:09,459 --> 01:31:04,699
to kind of make better quality decisions

2155
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:09,469
and react a little faster so deal that

2156
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:11,600
univer ioan research center did

2157
01:31:16,770 --> 01:31:13,330
extensive research in the myers-briggs

2158
01:31:19,209 --> 01:31:16,780
comparison and finding out which which

2159
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:19,219
formula worked you know with psychic

2160
01:31:23,610 --> 01:31:21,050
people hmm that was a group he might

2161
01:31:31,260 --> 01:31:23,620
have been referring to and also the

2162
01:31:39,550 --> 01:31:36,490
hi I'm having a hard time when I see a

2163
01:31:42,370 --> 01:31:39,560
chick influence a robot and a person

2164
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:42,380
changed the speed of light to see a

2165
01:31:49,930 --> 01:31:47,090
future that we cannot affect I think we

2166
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:49,940
can affect any kind of future and so my

2167
01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:53,330
question is when you see something that

2168
01:31:59,620 --> 01:31:56,840
could be a disaster or a problem or the

2169
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,630
pair Institute sees this rise of a

2170
01:32:04,270 --> 01:32:02,000
disturbance in the energy without

2171
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:04,280
knowing what it is where it is when it

2172
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:07,730
is couldn't it be turned over to a group

2173
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:12,110
of healers or talented side people who

2174
01:32:16,780 --> 01:32:14,330
can make that go back down which their

2175
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:16,790
research also shown that could address

2176
01:32:22,570 --> 01:32:19,850
that issue without the knowing exactly

2177
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,580
what it is and to dissipate it now what

2178
01:32:26,410 --> 01:32:24,320
I would do is ruin your results I mean

2179
01:32:29,020 --> 01:32:26,420
you couldn't compare what you did with

2180
01:32:31,210 --> 01:32:29,030
with the actual but but isn't that an

2181
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:31,220
ethical way to deal with that

2182
01:32:44,410 --> 01:32:42,770
information I don't know there's

2183
01:32:45,970 --> 01:32:44,420
certainly an awful lot of people around

2184
01:32:49,180 --> 01:32:45,980
the world who are meditating for peace

2185
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:49,190
and that sort of thing so when I think

2186
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:51,530
about the value of meditating for peace

2187
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:55,730
I imagine that if magically everyone in

2188
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:57,050
the world actually did meditate for

2189
01:33:00,610 --> 01:32:58,610
peace by definition we would have peace

2190
01:33:03,130 --> 01:33:00,620
because there'd be no more soldiers at

2191
01:33:04,750 --> 01:33:03,140
least for the moment of meditation so I

2192
01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:04,760
think there is value in that it whether

2193
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:07,220
it's it can create the equivalent of a

2194
01:33:10,660 --> 01:33:09,440
gigantic PK effect and kind of pushed

2195
01:33:14,140 --> 01:33:10,670
the future world in a certain direction

2196
01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:14,150
I don't know but but just as a human

2197
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:16,340
activity I think it's valuable to do

2198
01:33:24,860 --> 01:33:18,410
that on the off chance that it might

2199
01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:30,060
my question relates to how the mind

2200
01:33:34,910 --> 01:33:32,470
works when you're using precognition has

2201
01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:34,920
there been any studies to pinpoint

2202
01:33:41,010 --> 01:33:37,420
certain areas of the brain that are

2203
01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:41,020
being stimulated during precognition

2204
01:33:48,690 --> 01:33:46,150
sessions and also if if there is certain

2205
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:48,700
areas of the brain are those areas of

2206
01:33:54,090 --> 01:33:51,010
the brain shared with other species or

2207
01:33:56,700 --> 01:33:54,100
primates have there been any studies of

2208
01:34:00,930 --> 01:33:56,710
the observations of presentiments

2209
01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:00,940
in the brain of say gorillas or Apes or

2210
01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:03,390
any of those other types of studies that

2211
01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:06,300
scientifically have basis is for

2212
01:34:10,770 --> 01:34:08,500
precognition have they been done on

2213
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:10,780
other animals because sometimes you know

2214
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:12,610
we know the animals may move before the

2215
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:14,560
storm comes you know but that may relate

2216
01:34:19,020 --> 01:34:16,530
to things going on in the atmosphere

2217
01:34:22,140 --> 01:34:19,030
physically that we may not be able to

2218
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:22,150
see or feel but animals are in tune to

2219
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:24,310
that may not necessarily mean that they

2220
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:29,710
have precognition so do y'all know of

2221
01:34:38,610 --> 01:34:33,850
any mental abilities is it specific to

2222
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:38,620
humans it's a nature thing no it's not

2223
01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:41,320
specific to humans and the presentiments

2224
01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:44,350
studies an experiment was done using

2225
01:34:49,890 --> 01:34:47,350
earthworms to see if they would react in

2226
01:34:52,980 --> 01:34:49,900
advance to a stimulus and the stimulus

2227
01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:52,990
in that case was a vibration so the

2228
01:34:57,810 --> 01:34:55,510
earthworm showed about the same result

2229
01:35:01,410 --> 01:34:57,820
as humans do suggesting that you don't

2230
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:01,420
need a higher brain you could do this as

2231
01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:05,650
a matter of sound because basically at

2232
01:35:09,870 --> 01:35:07,630
the root of all manner is sound of

2233
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:09,880
vibration do you think that this whole

2234
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:12,790
connection of the future in the past is

2235
01:35:21,740 --> 01:35:16,960
just pretty much on a sound wave level

2236
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:21,750
and us communicating through visually

2237
01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:25,120
reinterpreting that salary wave very

2238
01:35:29,970 --> 01:35:28,120
unlikely to be sound it mean

2239
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:29,980
the precognition by definition is

2240
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:31,570
getting information about something that

2241
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:33,940
hasn't occurred yet in the future so

2242
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:38,110
unless sound where energy depends on how

2243
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:40,330
we define energy we don't really know

2244
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:42,250
how where the information comes from so

2245
01:35:46,410 --> 01:35:43,600
I tend to think of it in terms of

2246
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:46,420
information flow without specifying it

2247
01:35:55,020 --> 01:35:49,410
in more detail all right I had something

2248
01:35:56,850 --> 01:35:55,030
if you want there is a some things that

2249
01:36:00,290 --> 01:35:56,860
have happened historically that are very

2250
01:36:02,340 --> 01:36:00,300
interesting that talk about frequency

2251
01:36:04,170 --> 01:36:02,350
frequency you know you were talking

2252
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:04,180
sound but I really translated that in my

2253
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:06,970
mind too frequency and they talked about

2254
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,070
it in vibrational levels frequency

2255
01:36:13,650 --> 01:36:10,960
things like that but there are a few

2256
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:13,660
things where people have talked about it

2257
01:36:21,390 --> 01:36:14,530
like that

2258
01:36:24,020 --> 01:36:21,400
that seemed to me pregnant with with

2259
01:36:27,780 --> 01:36:24,030
potential that maybe will for example

2260
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:27,790
the Seth the Jane Roberts to set the set

2261
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:29,770
report stuff the the word that

2262
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:31,930
channelled literature there is currently

2263
01:36:38,970 --> 01:36:36,970
a Darryl ANCA in LA what is he the

2264
01:36:41,820 --> 01:36:38,980
brother of Paul Anka the singer he

2265
01:36:43,260 --> 01:36:41,830
channels a an ET called Bashar whether

2266
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:43,270
you believe in ETS or whether you

2267
01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:44,770
believe in channeling whether he says

2268
01:36:50,970 --> 01:36:48,820
really remarkably profound things and he

2269
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:50,980
talks in terms of frequencies all the

2270
01:36:58,940 --> 01:36:56,050
time there are some channels people that

2271
01:37:01,770 --> 01:36:58,950
just seem to me to be unusually wise and

2272
01:37:05,010 --> 01:37:01,780
even the arranger book was supposedly

2273
01:37:08,850 --> 01:37:05,020
channeled and they also talk along

2274
01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:08,860
things like that so I'm not sure anyone

2275
01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:10,660
up here at least let speak for myself I

2276
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:12,840
certainly am NOT a good person to ask

2277
01:37:18,330 --> 01:37:15,490
that coming to answer that question

2278
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:18,340
but there are some sources that seem to

2279
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:23,410
me to be unusually wise wherever the

2280
01:37:30,090 --> 01:37:26,320
informations come from and they talk

2281
01:37:32,430 --> 01:37:30,100
along those lines frequency okay

2282
01:37:34,410 --> 01:37:32,440
it makes sense to me considering that

2283
01:37:37,050 --> 01:37:34,420
the differences in between the lights

2284
01:37:38,970 --> 01:37:37,060
that we can't see and and those that do

2285
01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:38,980
exist as frequency

2286
01:37:43,470 --> 01:37:41,500
and to be able to travel beyond what we

2287
01:37:46,290 --> 01:37:43,480
can physically travel you would need to

2288
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:46,300
change the frequency to travel faster

2289
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,730
than the speed of light and this time

2290
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:50,800
and space thing has a lot to do with

2291
01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:53,110
frequency and even his example of the

2292
01:37:59,280 --> 01:37:55,630
earthworm and the vibration I just said

2293
01:38:11,610 --> 01:37:59,290
no has their big experiments relating to

2294
01:38:14,250 --> 01:38:11,620
this we are approaching the end of this

2295
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:14,260
session and so I asked for please no

2296
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:20,650
more questionnaires this maybe be a bit

2297
01:38:24,030 --> 01:38:22,510
more related to who makes a good remote

2298
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:24,040
viewer and I would like to direct this

2299
01:38:29,010 --> 01:38:25,840
question first of all because I think

2300
01:38:31,950 --> 01:38:29,020
Ava is wrestling with this it has to do

2301
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:31,960
with testing and establishing

2302
01:38:37,020 --> 01:38:34,420
credentials for remote viewers I think

2303
01:38:38,370 --> 01:38:37,030
one of the problems in public perception

2304
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,380
is the fact that anybody can call

2305
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,480
themselves a remote viewer and we all

2306
01:38:44,610 --> 01:38:42,400
know that they can remote view they

2307
01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:44,620
can't all do it well one of the problems

2308
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,720
of course is that police stations are

2309
01:38:52,290 --> 01:38:49,360
but the authorities hate them because

2310
01:38:54,180 --> 01:38:52,300
they call in they make claims of things

2311
01:38:58,140 --> 01:38:54,190
they can do they tie up the lines and

2312
01:39:02,280 --> 01:38:58,150
resources and the ones who are truly

2313
01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:02,290
good who are establish what were the

2314
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:03,940
ones that are truly good actually do

2315
01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:07,510
things in their contract that they can't

2316
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:10,780
talk about and usually law enforcement

2317
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:13,750
or other agencies will not even mention

2318
01:39:21,180 --> 01:39:19,450
right and so is there any OVA good okay

2319
01:39:22,350 --> 01:39:21,190
Irving Irving has a standards committee

2320
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:22,360
that's supposed to be coming up with

2321
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:25,690
ideas for setting standards that is a

2322
01:39:30,180 --> 01:39:28,450
very thorny problem the first reason is

2323
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:30,190
because in order to set standards you

2324
01:39:34,380 --> 01:39:31,690
have to have an evaluation tool that's

2325
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:34,390
reasonably accurate and trying to

2326
01:39:39,810 --> 01:39:37,090
evaluate remote viewing and remote

2327
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:39,820
viewers on any kind of a an objective

2328
01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:43,360
scale is notoriously very hard so much

2329
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:44,710
of it is subjective

2330
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:46,690
Stephen Schwartz is fond of talking of

2331
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,179
the gold standard of remote

2332
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:49,920
evaluation being the double-blind

2333
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:53,040
judging well that's true but that's kind

2334
01:39:56,180 --> 01:39:54,239
of like running evaluation with a

2335
01:39:58,130 --> 01:39:56,190
sledgehammer okay you can't get the

2336
01:40:00,110 --> 01:39:58,140
nuances you can't get the fine points if

2337
01:40:02,419 --> 01:40:00,120
you're going to be able to determine

2338
01:40:05,419 --> 01:40:02,429
tween you know different grades that

2339
01:40:07,399 --> 01:40:05,429
remove yours if you will and until we

2340
01:40:08,570 --> 01:40:07,409
solve the evaluation problem I don't

2341
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:08,580
know that we'll be able to solve any

2342
01:40:13,130 --> 01:40:11,130
kind of standardization or rating or any

2343
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:13,140
of that kind of thing but at least we're

2344
01:40:15,740 --> 01:40:14,850
still you know thinking about it and

2345
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,750
hoping that there'll be some

2346
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:17,280
breakthrough or some new ideas or

2347
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:18,719
something like that I also think is a

2348
01:40:25,070 --> 01:40:21,870
good another complex issue here and that

2349
01:40:27,380 --> 01:40:25,080
is not not all tasks are equal not not

2350
01:40:30,649 --> 01:40:27,390
all projects that come across your plate

2351
01:40:33,470 --> 01:40:30,659
or require the same kind of talent are

2352
01:40:35,630 --> 01:40:33,480
the same kind of individual so that's

2353
01:40:38,450 --> 01:40:35,640
does it an additional thing some people

2354
01:40:40,939 --> 01:40:38,460
some remote viewers may be good in one

2355
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,949
kind of a situation describing the

2356
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:42,719
wellness of somebody the illness or

2357
01:40:47,330 --> 01:40:44,730
whatever and another might be very good

2358
01:40:49,459 --> 01:40:47,340
at more the good old geometry whereas

2359
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:49,469
something lost or the Landmarks so I

2360
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:51,690
think is a variation here that also

2361
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:53,460
complicates the issues and don't you

2362
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:56,730
feel like wait ball good let's move on

2363
01:40:59,720 --> 01:40:58,290
to the next question thank you I have a

2364
01:41:02,360 --> 01:40:59,730
question about the effects of remote

2365
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:02,370
viewing on the remote viewers psyche and

2366
01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:03,840
wondering if it's a good thing or not

2367
01:41:08,780 --> 01:41:06,600
and the reason I'm asking is that in

2368
01:41:10,130 --> 01:41:08,790
some of the protocols that I had that

2369
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:10,140
have been published anyway that I've

2370
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:12,560
seen for remote viewing it seems that

2371
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:16,320
remote viewers are asked to dissociate I

2372
01:41:21,649 --> 01:41:19,050
mean as a technical term in psychology

2373
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:21,659
and psychiatry and so you sort of split

2374
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:24,510
yourself off usually that's not a good

2375
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:27,510
thing and what you're looking for

2376
01:41:31,220 --> 01:41:29,730
actually is more along the lines of

2377
01:41:32,660 --> 01:41:31,230
personality integration a person

2378
01:41:35,540 --> 01:41:32,670
becoming more integrated using their

2379
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:35,550
resources in a synthetic or synergistic

2380
01:41:40,610 --> 01:41:39,090
way rather than deliberately splicing a

2381
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,620
part of themselves away from themselves

2382
01:41:44,540 --> 01:41:42,960
I'm just hoping that each of you or not

2383
01:41:49,970 --> 01:41:44,550
necessarily all of you but that you

2384
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:49,980
might address that issue I'm not sure

2385
01:41:52,699 --> 01:41:51,449
that you could talk about in terms of

2386
01:41:55,009 --> 01:41:52,709
dissociation

2387
01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:55,019
remote-viewing methodology and of course

2388
01:41:59,540 --> 01:41:56,249
there's lots of different approaches to

2389
01:42:01,279 --> 01:41:59,550
it out there I find that actually people

2390
01:42:02,449 --> 01:42:01,289
find more become more integrated in the

2391
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:02,459
way you're describing when as they learn

2392
01:42:07,939 --> 01:42:06,570
the process they actually they actualize

2393
01:42:12,799 --> 01:42:07,949
parts themselves they never actualized

2394
01:42:14,929 --> 01:42:12,809
before and they tend to come to a better

2395
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,939
knowledge and understanding of their own

2396
01:42:20,620 --> 01:42:16,800
inner processes so if anything it's kind

2397
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:20,630
of a unifying approach but nonetheless

2398
01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:23,760
this whole notion of dissociation it

2399
01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:25,860
isn't that that you're breaking part of

2400
01:42:30,799 --> 01:42:28,760
yourself off it's just that you are

2401
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,809
discerning information that you

2402
01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:32,639
otherwise wouldn't be paying attention

2403
01:42:36,979 --> 01:42:34,590
to and I don't think that counts and I

2404
01:42:40,009 --> 01:42:36,989
think it's also the issue of observing

2405
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:40,019
the individual I do workshops in a

2406
01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:42,510
broader based type of saw including

2407
01:42:47,689 --> 01:42:45,209
remote viewing I also do dream work and

2408
01:42:50,419 --> 01:42:47,699
I find that by linking the conscious

2409
01:42:52,879 --> 01:42:50,429
states I remove Ewing approach was the

2410
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,889
dream states I works out real well for

2411
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:55,199
me because I've been working with the

2412
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:57,449
dream community for many years twenty to

2413
01:43:02,509 --> 01:43:00,119
twenty years so I can identify potential

2414
01:43:04,669 --> 01:43:02,519
issues in the person's dream narratives

2415
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:04,679
so I require everybody that I work with

2416
01:43:09,859 --> 01:43:08,130
to keep a dream journal and the years

2417
01:43:12,049 --> 01:43:09,869
where I see potential issues coming up

2418
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,059
and when they do I can take appropriate

2419
01:43:16,969 --> 01:43:14,639
steps to recommend a certain grounding

2420
01:43:19,219 --> 01:43:16,979
procedure or stay away from it for a

2421
01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:19,229
while and not everybody really should

2422
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:21,900
move in to the development of their saw

2423
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:24,570
potential yeah I would agree with that

2424
01:43:30,169 --> 01:43:26,820
and because the same issue arises in

2425
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:30,179
meditation training so some people will

2426
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:32,070
freak out if they if they try to learn

2427
01:43:35,419 --> 01:43:33,209
how to do something like mindfulness

2428
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:35,429
meditation they just they just fracture

2429
01:43:41,449 --> 01:43:38,090
and go crazy fortunately not everyone

2430
01:43:42,949 --> 01:43:41,459
but there's it happens often enough so

2431
01:43:44,899 --> 01:43:42,959
that one of the goals have a teacher

2432
01:43:46,549 --> 01:43:44,909
event almost any style of meditation is

2433
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:46,559
to keep people grounded because as soon

2434
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:48,360
as you do any technique where you start

2435
01:43:52,939 --> 01:43:50,130
to bring up stuff from your unconscious

2436
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:52,949
or you're paying more attention to the

2437
01:43:58,549 --> 01:43:55,650
unconscious there's always a potential

2438
01:44:00,049 --> 01:43:58,559
for cracking off parts of the psyche and

2439
01:44:01,759 --> 01:44:00,059
I'm sure the same thing happens with

2440
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,769
remote viewing let's move on to the next

2441
01:44:06,140 --> 01:44:03,600
weight Simeon wants to make

2442
01:44:07,940 --> 01:44:06,150
come come in here I think there's only

2443
01:44:08,690 --> 01:44:07,950
one rule that kind of common to all

2444
01:44:11,060 --> 01:44:08,700
these systems

2445
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:11,070
it's write everything down but for some

2446
01:44:14,210 --> 01:44:12,810
people that it's too much it's too

2447
01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:14,220
difficult for various reasons those

2448
01:44:21,740 --> 01:44:20,310
people shouldn't do it is the day and

2449
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:21,750
now the evening has gone on that there's

2450
01:44:26,900 --> 01:44:24,510
a way of talking about sort of the

2451
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:26,910
underlying plausible explanation

2452
01:44:32,150 --> 01:44:29,580
that just seems sort of commonplace than

2453
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:32,160
the people that I talked to and you guys

2454
01:44:35,870 --> 01:44:34,770
haven't mentioned at all although you do

2455
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:35,880
mention it occasionally when you're

2456
01:44:40,460 --> 01:44:37,890
right we just somehow that there's some

2457
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:40,470
kind of leakage backward from the future

2458
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:42,690
it isn't that you're seeing the future

2459
01:44:49,550 --> 01:44:46,860
is that the future propagates in some

2460
01:44:53,660 --> 01:44:49,560
way so that it is present to the

2461
01:44:56,630 --> 01:44:53,670
observer at in this present moment that

2462
01:44:59,260 --> 01:44:56,640
that the Russell Targ used to talk about

2463
01:45:03,490 --> 01:44:59,270
that in his writings there's that the

2464
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:03,500
the earthworm is responding to a present

2465
01:45:09,410 --> 01:45:07,050
event and the president event is the

2466
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,420
degree to which that loud noise or

2467
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:11,760
vibration of what it is has come back

2468
01:45:22,430 --> 01:45:17,250
from t 0 plus 2 or something back into t

2469
01:45:25,190 --> 01:45:22,440
0 or the choice of the target the next

2470
01:45:28,370 --> 01:45:25,200
day or whatever and that or even

2471
01:45:29,690 --> 01:45:28,380
mcmoneagle Submarine all of that it's

2472
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,700
just a way of talking about I'm not

2473
01:45:34,010 --> 01:45:31,440
saying it's it's like a some great

2474
01:45:35,540 --> 01:45:34,020
theory but it always seems kind of calm

2475
01:45:37,580 --> 01:45:35,550
us down when we think others is

2476
01:45:39,860 --> 01:45:37,590
ridiculous how could this be we also

2477
01:45:43,250 --> 01:45:39,870
start talking about well maybe the

2478
01:45:45,470 --> 01:45:43,260
future isn't just out there it's there's

2479
01:45:49,670 --> 01:45:45,480
a sort of backward causation that makes

2480
01:45:51,950 --> 01:45:49,680
it present that's all actually there's

2481
01:45:53,690 --> 01:45:51,960
some Garrett may talk about this but

2482
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:53,700
there's some physics physicists who have

2483
01:45:57,560 --> 01:45:55,110
actually talked about that when you when

2484
01:45:59,780 --> 01:45:57,570
you look at time the equations have

2485
01:46:02,420 --> 01:45:59,790
complex roots and they go backward and

2486
01:46:04,910 --> 01:46:02,430
forward and people like Fred Ellen wolf

2487
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:04,920
has suggested that the the backward

2488
01:46:07,670 --> 01:46:06,090
meets with the forward and but anyway

2489
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:07,680
it's an interesting thing if physicists

2490
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:09,300
I have actually talked about that as a

2491
01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:11,330
real put the real thing but on the

2492
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:17,660
remember we're an evolving society and

2493
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:20,170
the remote viewing seems to suggest that

2494
01:46:24,180 --> 01:46:22,090
whether there was one future in multiple

2495
01:46:28,980 --> 01:46:24,190
futures there still is a future at least

2496
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:28,990
one and it does seem that we are our

2497
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:31,810
science is evolving in the direction of

2498
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:35,890
not just us perceiving the future but

2499
01:46:42,690 --> 01:46:39,850
the future saying I wish I wish this

2500
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:42,700
particular time stream didn't happen I

2501
01:46:46,460 --> 01:46:44,410
wish we had done something differently

2502
01:46:49,650 --> 01:46:46,470
and that you're talking about overt

2503
01:46:51,740 --> 01:46:49,660
communication from the future back to

2504
01:46:54,570 --> 01:46:51,750
the past and we may be getting

2505
01:46:57,630 --> 01:46:54,580
sufficiently evolved as a society to be

2506
01:47:00,810 --> 01:46:57,640
able to deal with direct communication

2507
01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:00,820
with the future it's not just us

2508
01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:03,310
perceiving it but if we are perceiving

2509
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:06,190
it there in the x-files firm they're out

2510
01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:08,650
there and if they're out there they may

2511
01:47:12,990 --> 01:47:11,140
want to say look some decisions were

2512
01:47:15,450 --> 01:47:13,000
made you guys really screwed up you did

2513
01:47:17,070 --> 01:47:15,460
the wrong thing and we really wish it

2514
01:47:19,740 --> 01:47:17,080
went in another way that would mean that

2515
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:19,750
an alternate future could exist and they

2516
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:21,370
would be the future that we were

2517
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,650
evolving into could be trying to do a

2518
01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:26,320
good deed Boy Scout Girl Scout style to

2519
01:47:31,140 --> 01:47:28,390
say why don't you change this so that

2520
01:47:32,970 --> 01:47:31,150
when we evolve in our other cells we

2521
01:47:35,070 --> 01:47:32,980
have that type of experience as well

2522
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:35,080
we may actually be evolving in a society

2523
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:38,170
that can do that I see no limitations

2524
01:47:45,900 --> 01:47:43,030
for that I also think that as more

2525
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:45,910
people become aware of their own inner

2526
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:47,920
potential as well as we know viewing or

2527
01:47:53,310 --> 01:47:50,320
some form of meditation it somehow gets

2528
01:47:55,110 --> 01:47:53,320
into the subconscious it gets into the

2529
01:47:56,850 --> 01:47:55,120
collective unconscious and I do hold to

2530
01:47:59,790 --> 01:47:56,860
that view I tend to agree with a lot of

2531
01:48:01,950 --> 01:47:59,800
Carl Jung said so as more of us study

2532
01:48:03,930 --> 01:48:01,960
this field and even become proficient

2533
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:03,940
ourselves we're not just helping

2534
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:06,490
ourselves we're really helping the

2535
01:48:13,110 --> 01:48:10,090
stream out there which benefits all of

2536
01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:13,120
us in a sense to directly address your

2537
01:48:16,820 --> 01:48:14,620
question to present him and experiment

2538
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:16,830
shows that at least your body your

2539
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:19,810
unconscious self in the present is

2540
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:22,290
responding to your future yeah so as

2541
01:48:26,979 --> 01:48:25,090
Einstein said the time is a stubbornly

2542
01:48:36,910 --> 01:48:26,989
persistent illusion

2543
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:36,920
right yeah so we have in the words of

2544
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:39,050
click and clack the tappet brothers

2545
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:42,520
you've wasted two perfectly good hours

2546
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:47,090
listening to us so we've gone through a

2547
01:48:56,410 --> 01:48:50,170
number of different issues technical

2548
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:56,420
ethical physics oriented and this I

2549
01:49:02,200 --> 01:48:58,400
imagine we're going to be having many

2550
01:49:07,630 --> 01:49:02,210
more panel discussions on remote viewing

2551
01:49:09,959 --> 01:49:07,640
and a presentiment and slowly over time